Lilith is a really dangerous entity

[LockyMoth]

Imteresting stuff, how about Hecate or Cernunnos? Are they dangerous?

I've telepathically communicated to them, although I've never had problems. I'm an ex-joser and even though I did RTRs until late 21 I never had any issues. Am I somehow bound to these demons?

Or do I have spirit guides that protected me all along? I wonder, I have a goddess lover too. Now I wonder if I harmed myself. But I repeat, my life is balanced, birds and crows follow me a lot, people in general like me a lot. I believe I saw Hecate on a dream, not sure what to believe now. I did empower demon sigils in the past and also drained some when I was new. Nothing really happened.

But I feel like I'm adept, I can control energy quite easily, heal and curse as well. I meditated for 13 years and ended up looking younger as well. Or am I just a puppet?Is it all a cloak?

Welp, Hecate and Cernunnos aren't essentially dangerous, especially if you say that if you had communicated with them telepathically, you had positive experiences with them.

I think there's no one solution fits all situation and it depends on individual level.

I am glad that your life is balanced, and I hope you will recover yourself from the traumatic events the JoS may have caused to you.

Just as a question, did you have an account on T4S, when you were active in 2018?

[LockyMoth]

If you are contacting an entity with its sigil and rituals sooner or later even telepathically in the mundane sense the actual entity is going to show up and manifest. If an entire community is full of lunatic's and messed up lives and they are all contacting this entity and working with it and its energies that is the result. Destructive beings bring destructive results.

Yes well whether it is the real entity or not you are right people who end up worshipping this "lilith" end up insane, destroyed, or take on the attributes of their deity you really only know the true intentions of an entity by the results they bring. People do however end up getting what they wanted from their 'lilith' they live in delusions that can be quite pleasurable and comfortable which is why I understand a lot of people not leaving even as their life falls apart.

Now you notice a similar thing with Satan, I know most josers are also insane and have problems however their are other reasons for this like the rtr. It's quite obvious to me at least that the demons of the ars goetia are not the same as the old gods of paganism nor would I want them to be. What I wonder is what is the alternative system you present? Why would I want to become some regular pagan if it seems like the old gods vanished, they certainly didn't stop us from getting to our current state. They didn't stop the collapse of the old world nor do they seem to influence things now. In essence why would I commit myself to deities that seem to have abandoned us entirely, while the demons are still present. It doesn't seem like their is any other choice really, but I always wondered.

I wonder this, where are the old gods? I do feel I always had guidance as a kid, around 12 years ago my goddess came to me. Now I wonder if she is a pagan goddess or what since we exchange energy on a regular basis.

But isn't that what Taoists call dakinis or devas? What is that equivalent to in terms of spiritual beings?

I've raised energy for Satan/Lucifer, Lilith, Volac, Bathyn, etc and never had issues. So now I wonder if I'm crazy. But it's interesting that one time I got help with a Tarot reading on Volac and the reading said he is very dark, like he tortures souls. I was a Joser back then but it surprised me, I couldn't believe it.

Now I focus on pagan or Egyptian gods instead of sigils.

This is crazy stuff, but then I'm adept at magick, elemental control, healing, weather control as well, am I being controlled and this is not my power?

The old Gods are still "available" so to say, you can contact them. Satan and the Demons are different entities and it is good that you empowered them, just be careful to dose the energies so as to not drain yourself.

Volac has been often confused with the dark aspects, I think it is because of the nature he represents sometimes: mystery, shadiness, wickedness. Volac is to be contacted and can be contacted even if you are a beginner but you need to be very careful tho.

[Android666]

Yes well whether it is the real entity or not you are right people who end up worshipping this "lilith" end up insane, destroyed, or take on the attributes of their deity you really only know the true intentions of an entity by the results they bring. People do however end up getting what they wanted from their 'lilith' they live in delusions that can be quite pleasurable and comfortable which is why I understand a lot of people not leaving even as their life falls apart.

Now you notice a similar thing with Satan, I know most josers are also insane and have problems however their are other reasons for this like the rtr. It's quite obvious to me at least that the demons of the ars goetia are not the same as the old gods of paganism nor would I want them to be. What I wonder is what is the alternative system you present? Why would I want to become some regular pagan if it seems like the old gods vanished, they certainly didn't stop us from getting to our current state. They didn't stop the collapse of the old world nor do they seem to influence things now. In essence why would I commit myself to deities that seem to have abandoned us entirely, while the demons are still present. It doesn't seem like their is any other choice really, but I always wondered.

I wonder this, where are the old gods? I do feel I always had guidance as a kid, around 12 years ago my goddess came to me. Now I wonder if she is a pagan goddess or what since we exchange energy on a regular basis.

But isn't that what Taoists call dakinis or devas? What is that equivalent to in terms of spiritual beings?

I've raised energy for Satan/Lucifer, Lilith, Volac, Bathyn, etc and never had issues. So now I wonder if I'm crazy. But it's interesting that one time I got help with a Tarot reading on Volac and the reading said he is very dark, like he tortures souls. I was a Joser back then but it surprised me, I couldn't believe it.

Now I focus on pagan or Egyptian gods instead of sigils.

This is crazy stuff, but then I'm adept at magick, elemental control, healing, weather control as well, am I being controlled and this is not my power?

The old Gods are still "available" so to say, you can contact them. Satan and the Demons are different entities and it is good that you empowered them, just be careful to dose the energies so as to not drain yourself.

Volac has been often confused with the dark aspects, I think it is because of the nature he represents sometimes: mystery, shadiness, wickedness. Volac is to be contacted and can be contacted even if you are a beginner but you need to be very careful tho.

Yeah I guess I shouldn't lose faith after these situations, well I'm glad I focused on Satan more than any other spirit. I will be careful sir.

Yes used to focus on Volac before and I think he got me a job, but never heard him, saw him, etc.

Well I'm glad I'm alive and must be on the good side because never was attacked, or anything. I appreciate your reply.

[Don Danko333]

As for an alternative system, spiritual path works are individual and up to the individual. A person can do energy practices on their own or they can do divination and see what being they could contact for training and assistance. Its individual. The goal is to keep advancing in a positive direction spirituality. However being feed off of by Kliphothic demons is not going to accomplish this.

They are stuck in the Kliphoth these realms come to you and manifest around you after awhile. The heavy negative energy builds up on them and that's how it goes. I watched one LHP leader of Lilith state on his social media around 60 to 70 percent of people on the LHP go insane. Its destructive energy that's it real simple.

With Pagan Gods I worked with some of them. Its not like Wicca or Christianity devotional worship they put you to work and give you help with that work. They usually want something in return an offering of their choice. They are task orientated.

Now you notice a similar thing with Satan, I know most josers are also insane and have problems however their are other reasons for this like the rtr. It's quite obvious to me at least that the demons of the ars goetia are not the same as the old gods of paganism nor would I want them to be. What I wonder is what is the alternative system you present? Why would I want to become some regular pagan if it seems like the old gods vanished, they certainly didn't stop us from getting to our current state. They didn't stop the collapse of the old world nor do they seem to influence things now. In essence why would I commit myself to deities that seem to have abandoned us entirely, while the demons are still present. It doesn't seem like their is any other choice really, but I always wondered.