ENKI Is Satan The Occult Meaning Of The Forbidden Fruit

[Meteor]

It's worth noting that several of the most dangerous sociopaths I've had the misfortune of meeting all identified as Satanists. This is because many mentally ill people are drawn to the negative connotations associated with the name, and some are so rotten that they choose to take the bad things in stride. That is not because there is anything wrong with "Satan", but because of the negativity judaism has projected upon the name.

Having grown up as an outcast myself, I always found it empowering to reclaim the name of Satan, and to associate it with good; the subconscious meaning being that even that which other people do not understand can still be good. Sadly many people are not open to that, and will instead focus on harmful stereotypes; that's not easily changed with how these negative perceptions are culturally reinforced.

In that case, if JoS wants to improve public perception and avoid attracting sociopaths to their movement, a name change makes sense. It moves them out of the "edgy" territory they were founded in, and makes the religion more appropriate and valid in most poeople's eyes. Most controversy will instead be turned inwards, where people will argue about the specifics or complain about the image change, which can be easily solved with their organization's usual strategy of censorship.

I do agree with you that Enki makes more sense than Zeus; that's how I always explained it to people: that I equate "Satan" to Satya=Truth and the ancient Mesopotamian deity Enki, and that this has nothing to do with evil, usually people are understanding when I put it that way. The name "Zeus" never came up in my practice, and there's no reason for me to start including it now, as it is evidently not necessary.

I also mainly work with Lilith/Lalita/Shakti anyway, so Satan/Enki is usually out of the picture, and mainly just helped me get in touch with her when I did a dedication ritual for spiritual guidance 5 years ago. Satan also helped me get back on my feet after I had a mental health crisis half a year later due to several other factors, by teaching me a way to ensure I don't lose my sanity again. Other than this, most spiritual guidance I received has been from "Lilith" (though I mistook her for the Goetian Demoness Naphula at first), and on a few occasions a messenger of O-Inari after I visited the head shrine in Kyoto (who taught me about astral sex and recommended I teach my now-husband too, which ended up being greatly valuable to our marriage, and also played a big part in my shadow work and integration to overcome my identity issues).

Something I've noticed as I talked to occultists outside of the JoS bubble is how different each person's path is. Although meditation is the most essential building block for any progress, the details do not follow the cookie-cutter process I was led to believe by the people who introduced me to Spiritual Satanism. In fact, enlightenment can come from many unexpected sources. I often find it most useful to entertain even the bizarre ideas that come to mind, but without considering them literal or absolute. Behind every thought and feeling is an underlying truth, and to see the bigger picture, one must neither reject every clue nor take anything at face value, but instead entertain every possibility at once, and see what it's really pointing towards. That's how one can decipher what's really important even amidst chaos.

In short, for spiritual purposes, ultimately it does not matter too much what they call themselves. There is more to connecting with deities than their name alone. Even so, I laughed all afternoon when I heard the news, mainly because someone I knew called that this would happen a few years ago: that Nick really worshipped Zeus/Beelzebub specifically and was going to try to push this sooner or later (the underlying objective of this being to increase his own wealth by stealing from others). In my opinion, this is an inherent flaw to organized religion, because its only means of maintaining unity is censorship and telling people what to believe even if it doesn't resonate with them.

[HPSZolaLuckyStar]

"several of the most dangerous sociopaths I've had the misfortune of meeting all identified as Satanists."

Wow, what a coincidence....me too!

(good to see you Meteor, hope you're doing great?)

[Meteor]

"several of the most dangerous sociopaths I've had the misfortune of meeting all identified as Satanists."

Wow, what a coincidence....me too!

(good to see you Meteor, hope you're doing great?)

I certainly am. I achieved financial stability, and my hubby and I got a mortgage and bought our first home in a lovely and peaceful area near family. We'll be moving in soon.

Last year I made several breakthroughs in mental health, and then just as the new year came around, my mom (who is a retired doctor) found a cure for the chronic pain I suffered from for 15 years. The past 6 weeks I've been adapting to the changes from living without pain, and it's a lot to process but feels amazing, I have much more energy.

I've also gotten into a regular sleeping pattern and schedule, and feel much better and healthier overall lately, both physically and mentally. Ever since I started meditating, my life has been constantly evolving, but for the first time I feel like I'm no longer going in circles, that I have really gotten somewhere.


Now, this next bit, you might quite like to hear: with the stable situation I'm in now, I've decided to pursue my dream of becoming a published novelist. I realized I wanted to a few months before I got into spirituality 5 years ago, but I didn't know what to write about, nor did I think it would be lucrative enough to make a living.

So when you told me 2 years ago that I should be a writer, I brushed it off, thinking it wasn't meant to be. (I did pursue it as a hobby, which was well received again.)

But now that I already have an income, it doesn't matter if it's lucrative or not; and with how much I've learned and experienced the past 5 years, there is no shortage of things for me to write about and incorporate into my stories. I can practice at my own pace, and when I'm satisfied with the result, I can publish it and truly become a "writer."

I hope you are well too, miss Zola, and thank you for being an inspiration, even if I wasn't in the right place yet to take it seriously at the time.

[HPSZolaLuckyStar]

"I certainly am. I achieved financial stability, and my hubby and I got a mortgage and bought our first home in a lovely and peaceful area near family. We'll be moving in soon.

Last year I made several breakthroughs in mental health, and then just as the new year came around, my mom (who is a retired doctor) found a cure for the chronic pain I suffered from for 15 years. The past 6 weeks I've been adapting to the changes from living without pain, and it's a lot to process but feels amazing, I have much more energy.

"I've also gotten into a regular sleeping pattern and schedule, and feel much better and healthier overall lately, both physically and mentally. Ever since I started meditating, my life has been constantly evolving, but for the first time I feel like I'm no longer going in circles, that I have really gotten somewhere.


Now, this next bit, you might quite like to hear: with the stable situation I'm in now, I've decided to pursue my dream of becoming a published novelist. I realized I wanted to a few months before I got into spirituality 5 years ago, but I didn't know what to write about, nor did I think it would be lucrative enough to make a living.

So when you told me 2 years ago that I should be a writer, I brushed it off, thinking it wasn't meant to be. (I did pursue it as a hobby, which was well received again.)

But now that I already have an income, it doesn't matter if it's lucrative or not; and with how much I've learned and experienced the past 5 years, there is no shortage of things for me to write about and incorporate into my stories. I can practice at my own pace, and when I'm satisfied with the result, I can publish it and truly become a "writer."

I hope you are well too, miss Zola, and thank you for being an inspiration, even if I wasn't in the right place yet to take it seriously at the time."


Wow that is some great news! So happy for you! Owning your own home, what an achievement! And by family is terrific! Breakthroughs in mental health and then getting to experience life (physically) pain free - It feels like the two were somehow conjoined and when you decided to deal with the non physical one....the physical solution manifested as well. Thought (non physical) coming before matter which spiritually, everything does, I think thats really interesting timing.

You already are a writer, you just hadn't accepted you were back then - writing is not something you CAN do but something you ARE - it comes from your soul - Just like for me I'm an artist - I think you're an artist with a pen. I could see that right away; an artist recognizing another artist You truly have a gift. You're a hell of a writer! Oh yes, I'm happy to hear this. So happy for you (hugs). Wow. That was 2 years ago? Feels like yesterday

If I could make a suggestion? I would love to hear your story (write a book) of how you became a satanist, got pulled into that cult (JoS), your experiences there ( I think maybe looking for love?) - how you got out - how awesome your life is now, your thoughts on the experience from a higher perspective, what it taught you (from a spiritual perspective). How you've grown as a human being. I just think that's what it's all about, we live and we learn. I feel like myself, I've lived at least 6 lifetimes already, in this vessel. And each time I was not the same person I am now, but all of those incarnations make me what I am today. Weirdly enough.

I bet the story of your journey would be inspiring for many people. There are so many negative stories, but to hear one of surmounting the odds, of being in a dark place and then coming out the other side.....that's powerful. it could help a lot of people. And of course I'd gravitate right to 'helping'. You'd wright fantastic fiction, fantasy...anything. Don't mind me!

I was an inspiration for you? Thank you (big smile). It's nice to know I managed to help! Some of my soul themes are I hate injustice, love to learn, share what I learn and want to help.

I don't think there is a 'right' or a 'wrong' time....only your time. And your time is always the 'right' time. (heart)

As for me, no complaints, changes happening in my world too. I'm beginning a new chapter of my book or story, my old routine is gone. I'm about to begin learning a new tool to make art Looking forward to it!

[Sun666]

What about Belinos a celtic supreme God highly regarded in Europe the same as Baal Beelzebub Satan ZEUS?

https://hebrewnations.com/articles/quor ... s/bel.html

[HPSZolaLuckyStar]

Hi Sun. Please PM me, tell me who you are, why you want to join, ASK to join and if you can post, THEN post. I'll give you some time to do that



annnnnd....they fucked off instead. ok then.

I'll give you a few hours, after that I'll be forced to remove your account. Up to you

[Meteor]

Wow that is some great news! So happy for you! Owning your own home, what an achievement! And by family is terrific! Breakthroughs in mental health and then getting to experience life (physically) pain free - It feels like the two were somehow conjoined and when you decided to deal with the non physical one....the physical solution manifested as well. Thought (non physical) coming before matter which spiritually, everything does, I think thats really interesting timing.

It's a magical thing. I do a lot of introspection, and once the problem is resolved within my mind, it rarely takes long for it to come to resolution physically too.

You already are a writer, you just hadn't accepted you were back then - writing is not something you CAN do but something you ARE - it comes from your soul - Just like for me I'm an artist - I think you're an artist with a pen. I could see that right away; an artist recognizing another artist You truly have a gift. You're a hell of a writer! Oh yes, I'm happy to hear this. So happy for you (hugs). Wow. That was 2 years ago? Feels like yesterday

I'm touched by your kind words. It reminds me of how, last summer, I was writing a sci-fi romance story with original characters based on my husband and I. It was late at night, and I started to space out, and began to dream that I was the main character, and about how the story went. After a while, I found myself in a scary and overwhelming situation, but then the character based on my husband stood up for me and resolved the situation. He hugged me and I cried, and then I woke up from the dream with tears on my face, and 4000 additional words typed on my laptop, recording everything I had just experienced.

I didn't continue that story. It was too raw, and I thought: "Who would want to read this? What a long-winded sob story, wouldn't readers want me to get to the point?"
Worrying what potential readers might think often held me back in my writing; but lately, I've begun to realize there are people who would like to read my stories for the same reasons I want to write them. If I held back, I might be doing them a disservice, not to mention I'd just be giving myself a writer's block, so I should write freely. (hugs)

If I could make a suggestion? I would love to hear your story (write a book) of how you became a satanist, got pulled into that cult (JoS), your experiences there ( I think maybe looking for love?) - how you got out - how awesome your life is now, your thoughts on the experience from a higher perspective, what it taught you (from a spiritual perspective). How you've grown as a human being. I just think that's what it's all about, we live and we learn.

The reason I specifically I want to be a novelist, is because of plausible deniability. If I tell a story through a fictional setting and characters, I can say it's all "just a story," no matter how much fiction resembles reality. It's just a story, so if parts are scary or upsetting, readers don't have to worry if it really happened or not; they can just enjoy the thrill and vivid emotions, without having to worry about the implications. Also, instead of having to stay true to reality, I can craft a perfect story with a deeper meaning.

The story of how I became a Satanist, and how I got pulled into the Joy of Satan, is not such a "perfect story." It's a story full of heartbreak and confusion. Even though it led to the present I know and love, and even though it could help someone, it's not a story I'm comfortable publishing with my real name on it and saying "this is what happened."

But I don't mind telling you, or others who come looking here. So here's an idea: I can write a true story of three chapters. One, how I met and fell in love with the person who would eventually introduce me to Spiritual Satanism. Two, how I got sidetracked on my plot to assassinate him 5 years later (for the sake of protecting the young girls he preyed on), and he, I, and a lover from a past life instead ended up on a quest for Satanic World Domination. And three, how after both of them perished despite my efforts to save them, I joined the Joy of Satan community, looking to be judged for my mistakes so I could have closure, only to be strung along and led to believe they were "family."

Then, I can make a thread here on your forum, and post the chapters there. How about that?

Also, it's exciting to hear you're picking up a new tool! I hope you have a delightful time using it for artistic expression.

[HPSZolaLuckyStar]

"But I don't mind telling you, or others who come looking here. So here's an idea: I can write a true story of three chapters. One, how I met and fell in love with the person who would eventually introduce me to Spiritual Satanism. Two, how I got sidetracked on my plot to assassinate him 5 years later (for the sake of protecting the young girls he preyed on), and he, I, and a lover from a past life instead ended up on a quest for Satanic World Domination. And three, how after both of them perished despite my efforts to save them, I joined the Joy of Satan community, looking to be judged for my mistakes so I could have closure, only to be strung along and led to believe they were "family.""

That sounds good but I think you ought to make a fourth chapter: How you realized you were getting strung along, woke up, got out of that cult and how your life improved so much after. about breaking free, I mean.


"If I tell a story through a fictional setting and characters, I can say it's all "just a story," no matter how much fiction resembles reality. It's just a story, so if parts are scary or upsetting, readers don't have to worry if it really happened or not; they can just enjoy the thrill and vivid emotions, without having to worry about the implications. Also, instead of having to stay true to reality, I can craft a perfect story with a deeper meaning."

I realized you might feel that way after I wrote that...don't mind me.


"I'm touched by your kind words. It reminds me of how, last summer, I was writing a sci-fi romance story with original characters based on my husband and I. It was late at night, and I started to space out, and began to dream that I was the main character, and about how the story went. After a while, I found myself in a scary and overwhelming situation, but then the character based on my husband stood up for me and resolved the situation. He hugged me and I cried, and then I woke up from the dream with tears on my face, and 4000 additional words typed on my laptop, recording everything I had just experienced."


Sometimes when I'm working on an article, It feels like I'm recording what's coming through. Like I'm a conduit and it's not really me doing the writing. And information comes to me. I think that's really interesting, you went somewhere else and 'woke up' with 4000 words done. Wow. I wish I could write so fast. I'm not a great fast typist. It's laborious. But I love to write.


"I didn't continue that story. It was too raw, and I thought: "Who would want to read this? What a long-winded sob story, wouldn't readers want me to get to the point?""


I get that. I've definitely written a lot of things that will never be public


"Worrying what potential readers might think often held me back in my writing; but lately, I've begun to realize there are people who would like to read my stories for the same reasons I want to write them. If I held back, I might be doing them a disservice, not to mention I'd just be giving myself a writer's block, so I should write freely. (hugs)"

That's true too. All the best on your writing journey
When you have stories published, please put a link on the forum for people, to where they can purchase them if you don't mind, so we can support your work. (heart)

[HPSZolaLuckyStar]

Apologies Don, for hijacking your thread.


I'll repost the question sun asked to get things back on track:

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I was about to post the link he provided but it's to a site that makes it clear this is a troll. Never mind.
I'll remove the account as well.

[Don Danko333]

Nick already did that.... its called the Joy Of Eatanus, now.

In that case, if JoS wants to improve public perception and avoid attracting sociopaths to their movement, a name change makes sense. It moves them out of the "edgy" territory they were founded in....