Another projection by you. These are revealing. It seems you’re the one in constant need of a messiah figure/Jesus replacement, whether its Satan, Sanat Kumara, Melek Taus, or Lucifer your constantly being passed around by them. You even end your posts heiling them!
That would also explain the need to glorify some of these rami and “towelhead” figures that basically promote kosher approved christlike systems of spitituality that just amounts to sitting around all day engaging in mental masturbation, but never actually doing or achieving anything in the material world. It’s probably reflective of your actual life. Yuri Bezmenov admitted the Communists made a conceited effort to promote this type of spirituality in the West. You mentioned growing up in Christianity and that you hear church bells randomly(lol). Seems you never left. It would also explain why the mustasche man who actually did something triggers you so much all the same as the rest of the NPCs.
Don’t forget to mention the anime avatar in your rage reply. That always gets me hard.
Oh and I don’t really care much to argue with you anymore because I don’t believe your actually sincere/mentally stable at this point. I already produced (superior) evidence to your copy/paste articles and going in circles is unnecessary when you've already dealt what is in your mind your best hand. but I came across this while reading the other day and figured I’d share since I actually lol’d when I saw Chamberlain get mentioned. You would like this book, it’s written by some cuckservative of his time and full of Hitler slander.
“From Chapter 4 the Anti Christ of Hitler Speaks(1940) by Herman Rauschning the former governor of Danzing”
(quoting Hitler)
“The religions are all alike, no matter what they call themselves. They have no future---certainly none for the Germans. Fascism if it likes, may come to terms with the Church. So shall I. Why not? That will not prevent me from tearing up Christinaity root and branch, and annihilating it in Germany. The Italians are naïve; they’re quite capable of being heathens and Christians at the same time. The Italians and the French are essentially heathens. Their Christianity is only skin-dee. But the German is different. He is serious in everything he undertakes. He wants to be either a Christian or a heathen. He cannot be both. Besides, Mussolini will never make heroes of his Fascists. It doesn’t matter there whether they’re Christians or heathens. But for our people it is decisive whether they acknowledge the Jewish Christ-creed with its effeminate pity-ethics, or a strong, heroic belief in God in Nature, God in our own people, in our destiny, in our blood.”
After a pause, he resumed:
“Leave the hair-splitting to others. Whether it’s the Old Testament of the New, or simply the sayings of Jesus, according to Houston Stewart Chamberlain---it’s all the same old Jewish swindle. It will not make us free. A German Church, a German Christianity, is distortion. One is either a German or a Christian. You cannot be both. You can throw the epileptic Paul out of Christianity ---others have done so before us. You can make Christ into a noble human being, and deny his divinity and his role as a savior. People have been doing it for centuries. I believe there are such Christians today in England and America---Unitarians they call themselves, or something like that. It’s no use, you cannot get rid of the mentality behind it. We don’t want people who keep one eye on the life in the herafter. We need free men who feel and know that God is in themselves.
“You can’t make an Aryan of Jesus, that’s nonsense,” Hitler went on. “What Chamberlain wrote in his Principles is, to say the least, stupid. What’s to be done, you say? I will tell you : We must prevent the churches from doing anything but what they are doing now, that is losing ground day by day. Do you really believe the masses will ever be Christian again? Nonsense! Never again. That tale is finished. No one will listen to it again. But we can hasten matters. The parsons will be made to dig their own grave.”
it was almost like the perfect quote was manifested for such a purpose, somewhat "magically".
JoS Maxine Fuhrer Cult The Bigger Picture
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Anything that is capable of talking to you in your own mind is not a positive being. Simply because this is how most people hear. "Angels. Demons. Ascended masters. Other things. Aka. Succubus. Tulpa. Other things. All negative entities that feed on your soul energy."
That type of communication is reserved for beings that serve the demiurge.
A true being outside of the demiurge. Will not communicate telepathically. You will just feel it as a presence and a feeling. Because they communicate soul to soul.
That type of communication is reserved for beings that serve the demiurge.
A true being outside of the demiurge. Will not communicate telepathically. You will just feel it as a presence and a feeling. Because they communicate soul to soul.
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Re: JoS Maxine Fuhrer Cult The Bigger Picture
Hitler stated he believed in Christ being an Aryan and his gospels Aryan. Something to note his numerous public speeches and statements are always pro Christian to the extreme. Those can be taken as historically actuate and not from claimed private statements of Hitler that do have doubt around them. This includes building dozens of new churches and promoting Nazi Christianity in the 25 points of National Socialism. Hitler professes he is a Christian.
“My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.”
—Adolf Hitler
The Nazi's And Christianity
Rosenberg, Chamberlin and Nietzsche where the founders of Nazi thought and their mystical doctrine of the Thule Society as well. This is the origin of the doctrine of Nazi Christianity which is called 'Positive Christianity' upon which Hitler believed and built his Reich Church upon. The literal Gospel of an Aryan Christ and Christianity. Dietrich Eckart, Hitler's personal mentor, guru and friend was a mystical Christian from his own statements. Hitler dedicated the second part of his book 'Mein Kampf' to Eckart and had a personal shrine to him at his political meeting house when the leader of Germany.
Rosenberg admitted his book which lays the entire philosophy for the Nazi Party was just a rewrite of his own guru's, Chamberlain, Christian work 'The Foundations'. Chamberlain is the true philosopher of exoteric National Socialism he is to National Socialism what Marx's is to Communism. Mein Kampf is just a repeating of his book 'The Foundations' and numerous other writings.
"The personality and life of Jesus, whom, Chamberlain and Rosenberg, Nazi Germany's two most influential philosophers, considered as Aryan by race and spirit, as Rosenberg's following passage testifies:
"The Roman Church has emphasized his submissive humility because it wishes to have as many submissive followers as possible. To correct this is a problem for a German revival. To us, Jesus appears as a lord who is conscious of his lordship in the highest and best sense of the term. It is his life which is significant for Germanic men...We discern in the Gospels the might preacher, the ma of wrath in the Temple, the man whom all men followed, not the sacrificial lamb of Jewish prophecy, not the crucified one".
"Thus, Nietzsche (and later the Nazis) despised Judaeo-Christianity as "the anti-Aryan religion par excellence". as a Semitic religion which represents "the revaluation of all Aryan values", and which is hence unworthy of its founder, Jesus Christ, "the noblest man", a "free spirit" whose "un-Jewish, mystical doctrine of the Kingdom of Heaven within us' the Nazis praised as typically Aryan, while Chamberlain saw in the birth of Jesus Christ the most important date in the whole history of mankind:
"The coming of Christ signifies, from the point of view of world's story, the coming of a new human species".
"Indeed, for Chamberlain, Jesus, though of Jewish culture and religion, was definitely not a Jew neither by race nor spirit, implying that pure Aryan blood had been infused into the Galileans who were viewed by the Jews as an alien people:
"Christ was not a Jew... whoever asserts he is is either ignorant or insincere...There is not the slightest foundation for the supposition that Christ's parents were of Jewish descent... The probability that Christ was no Jew, that he had not a drop of genuinely Jewish blood in his veins, is so great that it is almost equivalent to a certainty".
"For Rosenberg, Nazism's philosopher who called for a "Germanic Christianity", contrasting Jesus the Aryan with Paul the Jew, the real Christ was the heroic rebel against the Jewish spirit, a "Son of God" or God-Man, " contrast to the Jewish doctrine of the servant of God", an Aryan Superman who, according to Chamberlain, had brought:
"Not peace but the sword. The life of Jesus Christ is an open declaration of war, not against the forms of civilization, culture and religion, which He found around Him- but certainly against the inner spirit of mankind, against the motives which underlie their action, against the goal which they set for themselves in the future life and in the present".
"For Nietzsche, "The church is precisely that against which Jesus preached- and against which he taught his disciples to fight"....And thus, Christianity which ironically took its name from its radically different original founder and the Church, are regarded by Nietzsche as the exact antitheses to the Gospel, to Christ's spirit and practice, and therefore, the "world-historical irony" lay in the fact "that mankind should fall on its knees before the opposite of what was the original, the meaning, the right of the Gospel."
"Hence the heroic and mystical spirit of Jesus Christ is sharply contrasted with the Jewish cowardly, materialistic, and base spirit. Hitler in fact says that the:
"Jews' life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine".
Nietzsche's following:
"Jesus had done away with the concept 'guilt' instilling-he had denied any chasm between God and man, he lived this unity of God and man as his 'glad tiding'..."What did Christ deny? Everything that is today called Christian...precisely that which is Christian in the ecclesiastical sense is anti-Christian in essence: things and people instead of symbols; history instead of eternal facts; forms, rites, dogmas instead of a way of life. Utter indifference to dogmas, cults, priests, church, theology is Christian.. Jesus starts directly with the condition the ''kingdom of Heaven' is in the heart, and he does not bind the means to in in the observances of the Jewish church; the reality of Judaism itself he relates as nothing; he is purely inward He likewise ignores the entire system of crude formalities governing intercourse with God: he opposes the whole teaching of repentance and atonement; he demonstrates how one must live in order to feel 'deified' and how one will not achieve it through repentance and contrition for one sins; 'sin is of no account' in his central judgment... The Kingdom of Heaven is a condition of the heart...not something 'above the earth'. The Kingdom of God does not 'come' chronologically-historically,, on a certain day in the calendar, something that might be here one day but not the day before: it is an 'inward change in the individual', something that comes at every moment and at every moment has not yet arrived".
Thus spoke Nietzsche:
"To resume I shall now relate the real history of Christianity The word 'Christianity ' is already a misunderstanding in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross. The Evangel' died on the Cross. What was called 'Evangel' from this moment onwards was already the opposite of what he had lived: 'bad tidings', a dyangel...Only Christian practice, a life such as he who died on the cross lived, is Christian...Even today, such a life is possible for certain men even necessary genuine primitive Christianity will be possible at all times ...Not a belief but a going, above all a not doing of many things a different being..."
For Nietzsche:
"Christianity was an inner experience, a practice, and not an outward "truth"...Therefore true Christianity does not come from blind adherence to a limited set of ideas God, the Beyond, Heaven...what Nietzsche termed "crude answers", but from a direct personal encounter with the spiritual reality with the "God within".
"Adopting Nietzsche's views on Christ and Christianity, the Nazis also believed that true Christianity was base on the mystical concept "the kingdom of heaven is within us", and Chamberlain, basing himself on Christ's own words: "the kingdom of God cometh not with the observation: neither shall they say, lo here or lo there. Fro behold. the Kingdom of God is within you" acknowledges this concept of an inner Christ:
"Theses words of Christ have, however, as we can see, never the character of a doctrine...Down through the ages we hear the words 'Learn of me' and we understand what they mean: to be as Christ was, to live as Christ lived, to die as Christ died, that is the Kingdom of God, that is eternal life".
"Hitler rejected the "servile Judeo-Christian religion of weakness and pity" advocating the belief in a stronger heroic faith, a belief in God which would be inseparable from the Aryan's festive and his blood a faith that does not reject and negate this life in favor of a life in the "beyond" an Aryan religion for free men, who, in Alfred Rosenberg's own words, "know and fell that God is within them"
Hitler's public proclamation of Christianity was in accordance with his own actual belief in it:
"In 1922, a decade before Hitler took power, former Prime Minister of Bavaria Count von Lerchenfeld-Köfering stated in a speech before the Landtag of Bavaria that his beliefs "as a man and a Christian" prevented him from being an anti-Semite or from pursuing anti-Semitic public policies. Hitler turned Lerchenfeld's perspective of Jesus on its head, telling a crowd in Munich:
"I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld. He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I say: My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[2]
In a 1928 speech, he said: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian."[3]"
Source:
All unnumbered quotes are from: Nietzsche, Prophet Of Nazism: The Cult Of The Superman, Abir Taha
[1]Dietrich Eckart, “Die Midgardschlange,” Auf gut deutsch (December 30, 1919), 680-681
[2]Speech delivered at Munich 12 April 1922; from Norman H. Baynes, ed. (1942). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922 – August 1939. Vol. 1. New York: Oxford University Press. p. 19.
[3] Speech in Passau 27 October 1928 Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf; from Richard Steigmann-Gall (2003). Holy Reich: Nazi conceptions of Christianity, 1919–1945. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. pp. 60–61
“My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.”
—Adolf Hitler
The Nazi's And Christianity
Rosenberg, Chamberlin and Nietzsche where the founders of Nazi thought and their mystical doctrine of the Thule Society as well. This is the origin of the doctrine of Nazi Christianity which is called 'Positive Christianity' upon which Hitler believed and built his Reich Church upon. The literal Gospel of an Aryan Christ and Christianity. Dietrich Eckart, Hitler's personal mentor, guru and friend was a mystical Christian from his own statements. Hitler dedicated the second part of his book 'Mein Kampf' to Eckart and had a personal shrine to him at his political meeting house when the leader of Germany.
Rosenberg admitted his book which lays the entire philosophy for the Nazi Party was just a rewrite of his own guru's, Chamberlain, Christian work 'The Foundations'. Chamberlain is the true philosopher of exoteric National Socialism he is to National Socialism what Marx's is to Communism. Mein Kampf is just a repeating of his book 'The Foundations' and numerous other writings.
"The personality and life of Jesus, whom, Chamberlain and Rosenberg, Nazi Germany's two most influential philosophers, considered as Aryan by race and spirit, as Rosenberg's following passage testifies:
"The Roman Church has emphasized his submissive humility because it wishes to have as many submissive followers as possible. To correct this is a problem for a German revival. To us, Jesus appears as a lord who is conscious of his lordship in the highest and best sense of the term. It is his life which is significant for Germanic men...We discern in the Gospels the might preacher, the ma of wrath in the Temple, the man whom all men followed, not the sacrificial lamb of Jewish prophecy, not the crucified one".
"Thus, Nietzsche (and later the Nazis) despised Judaeo-Christianity as "the anti-Aryan religion par excellence". as a Semitic religion which represents "the revaluation of all Aryan values", and which is hence unworthy of its founder, Jesus Christ, "the noblest man", a "free spirit" whose "un-Jewish, mystical doctrine of the Kingdom of Heaven within us' the Nazis praised as typically Aryan, while Chamberlain saw in the birth of Jesus Christ the most important date in the whole history of mankind:
"The coming of Christ signifies, from the point of view of world's story, the coming of a new human species".
"Indeed, for Chamberlain, Jesus, though of Jewish culture and religion, was definitely not a Jew neither by race nor spirit, implying that pure Aryan blood had been infused into the Galileans who were viewed by the Jews as an alien people:
"Christ was not a Jew... whoever asserts he is is either ignorant or insincere...There is not the slightest foundation for the supposition that Christ's parents were of Jewish descent... The probability that Christ was no Jew, that he had not a drop of genuinely Jewish blood in his veins, is so great that it is almost equivalent to a certainty".
"For Rosenberg, Nazism's philosopher who called for a "Germanic Christianity", contrasting Jesus the Aryan with Paul the Jew, the real Christ was the heroic rebel against the Jewish spirit, a "Son of God" or God-Man, " contrast to the Jewish doctrine of the servant of God", an Aryan Superman who, according to Chamberlain, had brought:
"Not peace but the sword. The life of Jesus Christ is an open declaration of war, not against the forms of civilization, culture and religion, which He found around Him- but certainly against the inner spirit of mankind, against the motives which underlie their action, against the goal which they set for themselves in the future life and in the present".
"For Nietzsche, "The church is precisely that against which Jesus preached- and against which he taught his disciples to fight"....And thus, Christianity which ironically took its name from its radically different original founder and the Church, are regarded by Nietzsche as the exact antitheses to the Gospel, to Christ's spirit and practice, and therefore, the "world-historical irony" lay in the fact "that mankind should fall on its knees before the opposite of what was the original, the meaning, the right of the Gospel."
"Hence the heroic and mystical spirit of Jesus Christ is sharply contrasted with the Jewish cowardly, materialistic, and base spirit. Hitler in fact says that the:
"Jews' life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine".
Nietzsche's following:
"Jesus had done away with the concept 'guilt' instilling-he had denied any chasm between God and man, he lived this unity of God and man as his 'glad tiding'..."What did Christ deny? Everything that is today called Christian...precisely that which is Christian in the ecclesiastical sense is anti-Christian in essence: things and people instead of symbols; history instead of eternal facts; forms, rites, dogmas instead of a way of life. Utter indifference to dogmas, cults, priests, church, theology is Christian.. Jesus starts directly with the condition the ''kingdom of Heaven' is in the heart, and he does not bind the means to in in the observances of the Jewish church; the reality of Judaism itself he relates as nothing; he is purely inward He likewise ignores the entire system of crude formalities governing intercourse with God: he opposes the whole teaching of repentance and atonement; he demonstrates how one must live in order to feel 'deified' and how one will not achieve it through repentance and contrition for one sins; 'sin is of no account' in his central judgment... The Kingdom of Heaven is a condition of the heart...not something 'above the earth'. The Kingdom of God does not 'come' chronologically-historically,, on a certain day in the calendar, something that might be here one day but not the day before: it is an 'inward change in the individual', something that comes at every moment and at every moment has not yet arrived".
Thus spoke Nietzsche:
"To resume I shall now relate the real history of Christianity The word 'Christianity ' is already a misunderstanding in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross. The Evangel' died on the Cross. What was called 'Evangel' from this moment onwards was already the opposite of what he had lived: 'bad tidings', a dyangel...Only Christian practice, a life such as he who died on the cross lived, is Christian...Even today, such a life is possible for certain men even necessary genuine primitive Christianity will be possible at all times ...Not a belief but a going, above all a not doing of many things a different being..."
For Nietzsche:
"Christianity was an inner experience, a practice, and not an outward "truth"...Therefore true Christianity does not come from blind adherence to a limited set of ideas God, the Beyond, Heaven...what Nietzsche termed "crude answers", but from a direct personal encounter with the spiritual reality with the "God within".
"Adopting Nietzsche's views on Christ and Christianity, the Nazis also believed that true Christianity was base on the mystical concept "the kingdom of heaven is within us", and Chamberlain, basing himself on Christ's own words: "the kingdom of God cometh not with the observation: neither shall they say, lo here or lo there. Fro behold. the Kingdom of God is within you" acknowledges this concept of an inner Christ:
"Theses words of Christ have, however, as we can see, never the character of a doctrine...Down through the ages we hear the words 'Learn of me' and we understand what they mean: to be as Christ was, to live as Christ lived, to die as Christ died, that is the Kingdom of God, that is eternal life".
"Hitler rejected the "servile Judeo-Christian religion of weakness and pity" advocating the belief in a stronger heroic faith, a belief in God which would be inseparable from the Aryan's festive and his blood a faith that does not reject and negate this life in favor of a life in the "beyond" an Aryan religion for free men, who, in Alfred Rosenberg's own words, "know and fell that God is within them"
Hitler's public proclamation of Christianity was in accordance with his own actual belief in it:
"In 1922, a decade before Hitler took power, former Prime Minister of Bavaria Count von Lerchenfeld-Köfering stated in a speech before the Landtag of Bavaria that his beliefs "as a man and a Christian" prevented him from being an anti-Semite or from pursuing anti-Semitic public policies. Hitler turned Lerchenfeld's perspective of Jesus on its head, telling a crowd in Munich:
"I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld. He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I say: My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[2]
In a 1928 speech, he said: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian."[3]"
Source:
All unnumbered quotes are from: Nietzsche, Prophet Of Nazism: The Cult Of The Superman, Abir Taha
[1]Dietrich Eckart, “Die Midgardschlange,” Auf gut deutsch (December 30, 1919), 680-681
[2]Speech delivered at Munich 12 April 1922; from Norman H. Baynes, ed. (1942). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922 – August 1939. Vol. 1. New York: Oxford University Press. p. 19.
[3] Speech in Passau 27 October 1928 Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf; from Richard Steigmann-Gall (2003). Holy Reich: Nazi conceptions of Christianity, 1919–1945. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. pp. 60–61
Hayden wrote: ↑Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:31 pm
“From Chapter 4 the Anti Christ of Hitler Speaks(1940) by Herman Rauschning the former governor of Danzing”
(quoting Hitler)
“The religions are all alike, no matter what they call themselves. They have no future---certainly none for the Germans. Fascism if it likes, may come to terms with the Church. So shall I. Why not? That will not prevent me from tearing up Christinaity root and branch, and annihilating it in Germany. The Italians are naïve; they’re quite capable of being heathens and Christians at the same time. The Italians and the French are essentially heathens. Their Christianity is only skin-dee. But the German is different. He is serious in everything he undertakes. He wants to be either a Christian or a heathen. He cannot be both. Besides, Mussolini will never make heroes of his Fascists. It doesn’t matter there whether they’re Christians or heathens. But for our people it is decisive whether they acknowledge the Jewish Christ-creed with its effeminate pity-ethics, or a strong, heroic belief in God in Nature, God in our own people, in our destiny, in our blood.”
After a pause, he resumed:
“Leave the hair-splitting to others. Whether it’s the Old Testament of the New, or simply the sayings of Jesus, according to Houston Stewart Chamberlain---it’s all the same old Jewish swindle. It will not make us free. A German Church, a German Christianity, is distortion. One is either a German or a Christian. You cannot be both. You can throw the epileptic Paul out of Christianity ---others have done so before us. You can make Christ into a noble human being, and deny his divinity and his role as a savior. People have been doing it for centuries. I believe there are such Christians today in England and America---Unitarians they call themselves, or something like that. It’s no use, you cannot get rid of the mentality behind it. We don’t want people who keep one eye on the life in the herafter. We need free men who feel and know that God is in themselves.
“You can’t make an Aryan of Jesus, that’s nonsense,” Hitler went on. “What Chamberlain wrote in his Principles is, to say the least, stupid. What’s to be done, you say? I will tell you : We must prevent the churches from doing anything but what they are doing now, that is losing ground day by day. Do you really believe the masses will ever be Christian again? Nonsense! Never again. That tale is finished. No one will listen to it again. But we can hasten matters. The parsons will be made to dig their own grave.”
it was almost like the perfect quote was manifested for such a purpose, somewhat "magically".
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Re: JoS Maxine Fuhrer Cult The Bigger Picture
The interesting thing if Table Talks is legitimate this also cancels out Hitler being a Pagan as well.
Hitler from Table Talks:
Hitler from Table Talks:
It seems to me that nothing would be more foolish than to reestablish the worship of Wotan. Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself. Nothing dies unless it is moribund. At that period the ancient world was divided between the systems of philosophy and the worship of idols. It’s not desirable that the whole of humanity should be stultified — and the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.
Re: JoS Maxine Fuhrer Cult The Bigger Picture
Once again Hitler's views on Christianity that can be verified always reflect Chamberlain's.
“My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.”
—Adolf Hitler
Hitler made an explicit statement in 1921: “I can imagine Christ as nothing other than blond and with blue eyes, the devil however only with a Jewish grimace.”6 In a 1922 speech, Hitler called Jesus “the true God” but also called Him “our greatest Aryan leader.”7
“My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.”
—Adolf Hitler
It is not difficult to find collections of quotes like this one, intended to prove that Adolf Hitler was a Christian. In many of his speeches and writings, Hitler referred to God or Jesus or quoted the Bible. Consequently, it is argued, Hitler must have been a believing Christian.
The matter, however, is not that simple. A Muslim may refer to God or Jesus, or allude to biblical teachings, but this does not make him or her a Christian.
Hitler’s religious beliefs have been the source of much misinformation. Some argue that while Hitler paid lip service to Christianity, he was actually an atheist. Others argue that Hitler was an occultist. The reality is that Hitler adhered to a system of belief that may be classified as pseudo-Christian and extremely heretical.
“POSITIVE CHRISTIANITY”
To understand Hitler’s religious beliefs we should start with a quote from Point 24 of the Nazi Party program: “The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession.” Critics may assume that Positive here means something affirming. But Positive Christianity, in this context, was a cultic movement with deviant beliefs. It began before Hitler’s birth, in the mid-nineteenth century, as an attempt to blend Christianity with an extremist form of German nationalism. Prior to the establishment of the Nazi Party, Positive Christianity was an ill-defined movement, with no clearly identifiable leaders or membership rolls. It was a grassroots ideology that infected established churches and their members and crossed denominational lines.1 However, adherents to Positive Christianity did share in common at least three important deviant beliefs.
The first deviant belief was a radically edited canon. Positive Christians rejected the Old Testament as “too Jewish.” They also rejected portions of the New Testament, including Matthew’s Gospel and the letters of Paul, who was deemed a “corrupter” of Christianity.
The second deviant belief was the redefining of Jesus as a non-Jew. Positive Christians envisioned Jesus as an Aryan, a member of the Nazi “master race.” Given Jesus’ professions to be intrinsically linked to the messianic promises of the Old Testament, to deny the Jewishness of Jesus is to deny a fundamental fact of Christianity. It is also contrary to biblical teachings relating Jesus’ Jewish ancestry (Matt. 1:1–17; Luke 2:11, 3:23–28; Rom. 1:3, etc.).
The final deviant belief was a focus on orthopraxy (right practice) at the expense of orthodoxy (right doctrine or belief). Positive Christianity strongly emphasized works, such that it not only failed to formulate doctrine but also ignored doctrine to the point of annihilation. Positive Christianity ignored doctrine because Nazi leaders wished to unify Catholics and Protestants. This could only happen if doctrine as a source of disagreement was eliminated.
HITLER’S SPIRITUAL BIOGRAPHY
The sparse accounts of Hitler’s life as a young man indicate a trajectory of early piety, followed by rebellion in youth. Hitler was raised Catholic and took part in church functions as a child. But as he got older, his interest in spiritual matters waned. His closest friend as a youth, August Kubizek, said, “For the entire period that I knew Adolf Hitler, I do not think he attended mass.”2 Hitler affirmed his lack of interest in religion as a youth, saying in 1942, “At thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, I no longer believed in anything, certainly none of my friends still believed in the so-called communion, only a few totally stupid honor students!”3 In the period following World War I, when the Nazi Party was still in its nascent stages, we find indications of Hitler’s allegiance to Positive Christianity.
Hitler’s Edited Bible
A 1919 manuscript written by Hitler outlines a plan for the biblical text: “Purification of the Bible—that which is consistent with our spirit. Second result: critical examination of the remainder.” This is “almost certainly an allusion to the Old Testament,” which Hitler’s spiritual mentors in the Nazi Party “claimed had to be removed from the Christian canon owing to its origins in Judaism.”4
Another statement of Hitler affirms that “Jewry had [Jesus] crucified. But Paul falsified his doctrine and undermined ancient Rome.” Steigmann-Gall describes this statement as an indication from Hitler that “a pure Christianity [could] be redeemed from a Jewish or Pauline corruption.”5 Clearly, Hitler maintained that the canon of Scripture ought to be substantially reduced.
Hitler’s Dejudaized Jesus
There are fewer statements from Hitler concerning the identity of Jesus, but he clearly followed the Positive Christian teaching that Jesus was not a Jew. Hitler made an explicit statement in 1921: “I can imagine Christ as nothing other than blond and with blue eyes, the devil however only with a Jewish grimace.”6 In a 1922 speech, Hitler called Jesus “the true God” but also called Him “our greatest Aryan leader.”7
Hitler’s Emphasis on Orthopraxy
In a 1926 speech, Hitler stated that the goal of the Nazi Party was to “translate the ideals of Christ into deeds” and complete “the work which Christ had begun but could not finish.”8 Note that this statement not only elevates orthopraxy but also implies a denial of the doctrine of the atonement, in which it is assumed that Christ’s work was not finished on the cross.
A SUPERIOR REVELATION?
One of the hallmarks of a cult is that members frequently will claim that they possess revelation that supersedes the Bible. Joseph Smith, for example, claimed that when he asked God which church to join, he was told that he should “join none of them, for they were all wrong.”9 This effectively divides Mormonism from mainstream Christianity.
Hitler made similar statements that distanced Positive Christianity from the mainstream. In a private meeting, Hitler stated, “We are the first to exhume these teachings! Through us alone, and not until now, do these teachings celebrate their resurrection!” Hitler thus declared that the “true message” of Christianity “was to be found only with Nazism,” and “where the churches have failed in their mission to instill Christian ethic in secular society, his movement would take up the task.”10
Hitler further affirmed his view of Positive Christianity as “true” Christianity in an address on April 6, 1923, where he answered charges that the Nazis were anti-Christian: “We are characterized as anti-Christian by the party that most seriously threatens Christianity through its connection with Marxist atheism: the [Catholic] Center Party….We must once again raise up Christianity, but it must be warrior Christianity.”11
Clearly, Hitler denied orthodox Christianity and considered the heretical system of Positive Christianity to be an effective substitute.
OVERSTATED OCCULTISM
Many Christian commentators believe that Adolf Hitler was involved in the occult. Credible evidence does not support this view. Hitler’s friend Kubizek says that the young Hitler was “absolutely skeptical of occultism,”12 and nothing in Hitler’s biography from that time on suggests that he ever changed his mind. So how is it that popular sources claim that Hitler was an occultist?
Between 1960 and 1975, several books on Nazi occultism were published.13 Historian Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke describes these works in unflattering terms as “sensational and under-researched,” adding that “inaccuracies and wild claims were repeated by each newcomer to the genre.” One of the most popular is Trevor Ravenscroft’s The Spear of Destiny, which spins a fantasy about a friend of Hitler’s youth named Walter Stein. Stein reputedly tells of Hitler’s obsession with the so-called “Hofburg Spear,” which is alleged to have been used by a Roman centurion to pierce the side of Christ.
It is unsurprising that no scholarly biographer of Hitler is aware of a “Walter Stein” in Hitler’s background. Ravenscroft apparently made up the story, based on supposed contact with Stein via a medium after his death!14 Unfortunately, even some otherwise credible Christian commentators accept Ravenscroft’s testimony as reliable, including Erwin Lutzer, the pastor of Chicago’s Moody Bible Church and author of Hitler’s Cross (Moody Press, 2012).
There are a few other arguments advanced by those who propose that Hitler was an occultist. One argument is that as a young man, Hitler read occult publications, as well as books on Eastern religions, occultism, and yoga. Credible documentation of Hitler’s interest in these subjects is sparse. Nevertheless, even if Hitler did read about these topics, it would mean little; historians generally agree that, for Hitler, the goal of reading was to find formulations and ideas that he could borrow to support his own preconceptions.15 Hitler’s reading was so varied that his reading of books on the occult would merely reflect dabbling, rather than a sustained interest.
Another argument is that Hitler was a member of the occult Thule Society, as were several other early Nazi figures, such as Dietrich Eckart. This, however, is false. Eckart and others were guests at Thule Society meetings, not members, and Hitler himself is never documented to have attended a meeting.16
A final claim we may consider is that Hitler chose the swastika, an occult symbol, to represent the Nazi Party. Although the swastika does have occult connections in some contexts, this is not the meaning that was assigned to it by Hitler. In Mein Kampf, Hitler said that the swastika signified “the struggle for the victory of Aryan mankind and at the same time the triumph of the ideal of creative work which is in itself and always will be anti-Semitic.”17 This meaning imputed to the swastika is sufficient explanation without invoking occultism.
ON TABLE TALK
A discussion of Hitler’s views on Christianity would not be complete without reference to Table Talk, a record of dialogues by Hitler. Table Talk includes statements by Hitler that are overtly hostile to Christianity. But while Table Talk may contain some authentic reminisces of Hitler, it should be treated with caution.
Some historians have suggested that Hitler’s secretary, Martin Bormann, may have spiced Hitler’s words with his own anti-Christian biases. A less-speculative point is that by the time of much of what is recorded in Table Talk, Hitler was looking back at the failed effort to bring German churches to heel in service of the Nazi agenda, and was reflecting the bitterness he felt at this failure. In any event, while Table Talk may add some color to our picture of Hitler’s views on religion, it is not critical for a case that he was not aligned with orthodox Christianity.
IS HITLER STILL A CHRISTIAN?
Despite clear evidence of Hitler’s alignment with the cultic views of Positive Christianity, critics insist that this is insufficient to disqualify Hitler as a Christian. It is argued that because Hitler self-identified as a Christian, we cannot disqualify him as a faithful believer.
This argument sets a rather low bar of evidence for how one may be defined as a Christian. If self-profession is all that is required to define one’s personal identity, without any reference to objective criteria, then even a hardened atheist could qualify as a Christian!18
The critic is intent on a broad definition of “Christian” that would include Hitler, in order to associate Christianity as a whole with moral atrocity. Such a broad designation is difficult to defend. But let us grant it for the sake of argument. We may then point out that Hitler and his associates added the designation “Positive,” to separate themselves from others designated “Christian.” Why, then, use the broader designation of “Christian” rather than the more specific designation of “Positive Christian?” Why not specifically say, as all will agree, that it is “Positive Christianity,” a heretical deviation from orthodox Christianity, that leads to such moral atrocities as Hitler and his followers committed?
Another argument is that the deviations of Positive Christianity are no more unusual than one might find in any Christian church today. It may be pointed out, for example, that the Aryan Jesus of Positive Christianity has parallels in mainstream views of Jesus as a blond, blue-eyed Anglo-Saxon. But this is an inapt comparison. Such depictions of Jesus come of mistaken ideas that all Jews of the first century were white Anglo-Saxons. It is not the result of an active racism, as was the case with Positive Christianity.
It is true that even early Christianity was subject to a certain amount of diversity of belief and practice. Nevertheless, it must also be apparent that diversity has its limits. If critics fail to set those limits based on more stringent and objective criteria, they risk making the definition of “Christian” so broad that it has no meaning at all.
Was Hitler a Christian? If the evidence is considered objectively, the answer must clearly be no. The only way this question could be answered in the affirmative would be if it were qualified with an enormous asterisk referencing an extended explanatory footnote.
James Patrick Holding is the president of Tekton Apologetics Ministries.
NOTES
Among works documenting the beliefs of Positive Christianity are Doris Bergen, Twisted Cross: The German Christian Movement in the Third Reich (Chapel Hill, N.C.: University of North Carolina Press, 1996); Susannah Heschel, The Aryan Jesus: Christian Theologians and the Bible in Nazi Germany (Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 2010), and Richard Steigmann-Gall, Holy Reich: Conceptions of Christianity, 1919−1945 (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2003).
August Kubizek, The Young Hitler I Knew (London: Greenhill Books, 2006), 95.
Brigitte Hamann, Hitler’s Vienna (New York: Oxford University Press, 1999), 19.
Steigmann-Gall, Holy Reich, 27.
Ibid., 119.
Ibid., 37.
Ibid., 27.
Ibid.
Joseph Smith, History, 1:19.
Ibid., 27−28.
Derek Hastings, Catholicism and the Roots of Nazism (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2010), 113.
Kubizek, Young Hitler I Knew, 112.
Nicholas Goodrick Clarke, The Occult Roots of Nazism (London: Tauris Parke, 2012), 225.
Keith Fitzpatrick-Matthews, “‘The Spear of Destiny’: Hitler, the Hapsburgs and the Holy Grail,” http://badarchaeology.wordpress.com/201 ... oly-grail/.
Hamann, Hitler’s Vienna, 200−201.
Goodrick-Clarke, Occult Roots, 201.
Obtained from Mein Kampf, http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch07.html.
Among the movements on the market today is one that terms itself “Christian atheism,” which holds that, while God does not exist, the moral teachings of Jesus are superior and ought to be followed. One online proponent of this view is found at http://www.atheist-for-jesus.com. Accessed January 24, 2014.
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You make the mistake of not understanding that like some gentile stuff Jewish stuff is often written in code or allegory to describe things and with Jewish stuff the purpose is intentionally not made clear to decieve people. They want to have us blame Satan for what they do or not believe in Satan. What do you expect.Don Danko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:18 pm What happened with the JoS is Maxine was being used by negative entities from the Jewish systems of magic. No different then the new agers who work with the light side entities of the same Jewish systems. From experience these entities are real and deceptive and have many ways of using people to vamp them. These entities pimp people and vamp them.
This is why when people leave the JoS they stay in this Spiritual Satanism if they are open enough psychically because they know these entities are real. However they make the mistake of believing they are positive and Maxine and the JoS is the problem. When I was leaving the JoS these entities gave me a message they wanted me to keep working for them outside the JoS with building new groups, sites and such. They also contacted Zola to have her contact me to bring me over here to work on this platform for them. This was before Zola got wise to these entities for what they are and warned everyone. I should have listened at the time but learned later she is right. Even when I left here the entities would open doors to work on new projects for them one way or another always wanting me to hustle for them.
These entities created the JoS Maxine Fuhrer cult, because that is how they manipulate people. They convinced Maxine of some false reality to build up her ego into insane levels to run this hustle operation for them. This is the same all across the LHP world its not unique to Maxine also in the RHP world as well where people work with these entities on the false light side. This reflects the nature of these entities. That is why Maxine would tell me something then the entities i.e. her devil daddy would also confirm this to me as well. Because she was getting this from them. Maxine was actually psychic so she could communicate with them. My mistake was originally thinking Maxine was the problem mainly, no she was a puppet of these entities. The CoS was also turned into the same kind of crazy cult under Aton Lavey as he worshipped and thus telepathically connected with the same leading entities the devil daddy and its consort the same Maxine worked for. He also communicated with the other entities as he admits in his own book from this Jewish magical system. Its outside of Maxine she was a victim only. Aton Lavey's own daughter and former spokes person for the CoS, left and called this out for being a cult in interviews with her.
Trying to make excuses for Satanism and the entities who ism it is. By just blaming Maxine and the JoS is not going to address the truth. The entities themselves are negative and vampiric. Thankfully Lucifer bailed me out of all this when I started doing rituals to contact him on its own. Then he bailed me out of the last of it with banishing the last of those entities on its false light side from my life as well. These entities do hate Lucifer and this entity did attempt to sabotage any communications I have with Lucifer and keep me away from Lucifer while trying to draw me back into Satanism. I had people asked me what about my other projects I was working on including ones already on line with websites. I had them all pulled down when I realized this totality with the last banishing of that entity. They wanted me to promote a narrative inline with a new age author Mark Pinkham who works with this entity the same Maxine did by that name and under others.
When I was a Satanist I learned these entities will make your life miserable and attempt to manipulate you to never realize this and always blame something else. In the JoS it was always the 'enemy" attacking you. That allows the actual problem these entities to go uncalled out. This cult mentality allows these entities to prey on people forever basically. It benefits them. These entities didn't care when Maxine or now Cobra steal all the donations and lie and manipulate people because it gets them what they want. Maxine and Cobra are just acting like the entities as do many other people in the LHP. The entities seek to manipulate and corrupt people while destroying them and their lives and making them dependent on them. The word Satan connects to the entity who's title that is [Samael, Azazel]. There is no getting away from it.
Lucifer is not Satan. I know that from experience as do many others. Lucifer is outside the spectrum of these Jewish entities. They really and truly do hate him. Stop attempting to venerate or contact Satan Lucifer they are not the same being. Lucifer must be contacted on his own. These entities do have other LHP people spreading false information about Lucifer as well attempting to deceive people to pull them into Satanism.
Hail Lucifer!
Taking it literally you end up sounding like a fundy xtian quoting the Bible and you don't get much out of your "research" other than also deceiving people along with the authors of the stuff you are "researching" come on don't you know this you wrote about it on the JOS before.
Honestly the way you write you sound like a Jew Kabbalah Student yourself.