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Paganism has to have collective idealism its the culture of tribal nations in conflict with other nations. A tribal nation without that unity would not last long against their enemies. Today we call this natural phenomenon , basic nationalism. This spiritual instinct is so strongly part of the soul even the universalism of Christianity failed against it and ended up becoming absorbed into Nationalism with the creation of Nationalist state churches. Even in the western Liberal Democracies its the strong state with an advanced infrastructure and military is what maintains the freedom of the nation and population. Liberal Democracy is not the dominate system of the world because its the best but because America is the world military power.

I understand your argument but disagree based on the fact Christianity eliminated and CORRUPTED the original Pagan mystic schools by violence of different kinds. The goal of those pagan schools was ascension which is total freedom in the legitimate sense. Where Christianity's goal is descenion the total opposite.

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:35 am

Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:31 am The Pagan esoteric branch such as the Vril Society was in communication with the Goddesses Ostara the channeling proves itself its beyond doubt and its confirmed by Von Braun as well. However the leader of the Vril, Haushofer turned out to be a possible traitor who sold Hess out on his flight to England. And Haushofer's wife and son were both racially Jewish. His son was arrested and executed for attempting overthrow the Reich and assassinate Hitler. Its probable that Haushofer and his wife were assassinated by the British intelligence services after the war to shut them up. Himmler was a private Luciferian and his castle shows this so does his ordering Otto Rahn to go from condemning Lucifer to praising him in his book 'Lucifer's Court' but this was a small number of individuals in large amounts of Christianity. Himmler wanted to fulfil the goal of the Teutonic German Pagan movement of bringing back German Teutonic paganism as the religion of Germany.

The Christian energies and doctrines and individuals within the Party and Party doctrine became the stronger element and destroyed the Reich from within. I have to wonder if Hitler's personal sympathies with the Aryan Christ opened him up to the influence of the Jewish servitor of Christ to some degree. Hitler's political speeches sounded like Christian sermons from the gospels this creates a plug into the Christian servitor.

My criticism of Pagan esoteric beliefs is that they promote the same collectivist mentality that Christianity does. Scholars, Historians and architects present good evidence showing that Christianity is the Paganism of the modern age. They just dropped the title of Gods and replaced it with saints.,

Don Danko wrote:The combination of being put into the jewlag moderation and having most of my work which took weeks, months and years of research deleted without reason due to Nick's never ending jealousy and temper tantrums. To when I realized by research, Maxine had lied about the RTR's, communication with the gods and Hitler, is why I decided to leave the JoS in July of last year.

Don, the fact that you left when you realized that Maxine was lying is something that I respect. It shows me that you care about truth and what is right, and that you are willing to stand by your beliefs. This is honorable in my opinion. The fact that the JoS had to censor information shows me that that they are hiding something. If what you are saying is lies, then it could easily have been debunked on their public forum with a debate.

Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:52 am Paganism has to have collective idealism its the culture of tribal nations in conflict with other nations. A tribal nation without that unity would not last long against their enemies. Today we call this natural phenomenon , basic nationalism. This spiritual instinct is so strongly part of the soul even the universalism of Christianity failed against it and ended up becoming absorbed into Nationalism with the creation of Nationalist state churches. Even in the western Liberal Democracies its the strong state with an advanced infrastructure and military is what maintains the freedom of the nation and population. Liberal Democracy is not the dominate system of the world because its the best but because America is the world military power.

I understand your argument but disagree based on the fact Christianity eliminated and CORRUPTED the original Pagan mystic schools by violence of different kinds. The goal of those pagan schools was ascension which is total freedom in the legitimate sense. Where Christianity's goal is descenion the total opposite.

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:35 am

Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:31 am The Pagan esoteric branch such as the Vril Society was in communication with the Goddesses Ostara the channeling proves itself its beyond doubt and its confirmed by Von Braun as well. However the leader of the Vril, Haushofer turned out to be a possible traitor who sold Hess out on his flight to England. And Haushofer's wife and son were both racially Jewish. His son was arrested and executed for attempting overthrow the Reich and assassinate Hitler. Its probable that Haushofer and his wife were assassinated by the British intelligence services after the war to shut them up. Himmler was a private Luciferian and his castle shows this so does his ordering Otto Rahn to go from condemning Lucifer to praising him in his book 'Lucifer's Court' but this was a small number of individuals in large amounts of Christianity. Himmler wanted to fulfil the goal of the Teutonic German Pagan movement of bringing back German Teutonic paganism as the religion of Germany.

The Christian energies and doctrines and individuals within the Party and Party doctrine became the stronger element and destroyed the Reich from within. I have to wonder if Hitler's personal sympathies with the Aryan Christ opened him up to the influence of the Jewish servitor of Christ to some degree. Hitler's political speeches sounded like Christian sermons from the gospels this creates a plug into the Christian servitor.

My criticism of Pagan esoteric beliefs is that they promote the same collectivist mentality that Christianity does. Scholars, Historians and architects present good evidence showing that Christianity is the Paganism of the modern age. They just dropped the title of Gods and replaced it with saints.,

We don't have to agree on everything, and I thank you for sharing your views and information.

I think Maxine wanted me in the moderation Jewlag as I caught her lying to me numerous times attempting to cover for Nick and cover her own role up. I suspect on her part its because I was starting to ask questions about issues in her doctrines. Which I attributed to normal human error but Maxine shows to many she has this insane jealousy and rage at even the smallest notice of anything she does not want. She also shows this jealousy if anyone mentions they have any interaction with the gods beyond her claims or equal to her claims this also involves if anyone makes statement of decent level psychic abilities. This sends her into a jealous rage. Maxine I believe many times just probably lied about things for this reason. Nick is the same way.

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:55 am

Don Danko wrote:The combination of being put into the jewlag moderation and having most of my work which took weeks, months and years of research deleted without reason due to Nick's never ending jealousy and temper tantrums. To when I realized by research, Maxine had lied about the RTR's, communication with the gods and Hitler, is why I decided to leave the JoS in July of last year.

Don, the fact that you left when you realized that Maxine was lying is something that I respect. It shows me that you care about truth and what is right, and that you are willing to stand by your beliefs. This is honorable in my opinion. The fact that the JoS had to censor information shows me that that they are hiding something. If what you are saying is lies, then it could easily have been debunked on their public forum with a debate.

Don Danko wrote:I think Maxine wanted me in the moderation Jewlag as I caught her lying to me numerous times attempting to cover for Nick and cover her own role up. I suspect on her part its because I was starting to ask questions about issues in her doctrines. Which I attributed to normal human error but Maxine shows to many she has this insane jealousy and rage at even the smallest notice of anything she does not want. She also shows this jealousy if anyone mentions they have any interaction with the gods beyond her claims or equal to her claims this also involves is anyone makes statement of decent level psychic abilities. This sends her into a jealous rage. Maxine I believe many times just probably lied about things for this reason. Nick is the same way.

That is not the way that leaders act. From examining the JoS forums, reading the material on their website, listening to former members, and looking at the information that you gave me, it appears that Maxine and HoodedCobra were leaders only in title(a title that they assigned to themselves). They substantiated their claim to priesthood by setting themselves up as mediators to the Gods. This is quite deceptive, as they stated that their are no mediators in Satanism, and then proceed to set themselves up has mediators to the Gods.

Something I realized when I studied the ascended master's, Ramalingam's teachings. Is this is different then Satanism which is hyper individual Liberal philosophy so its focus is there. Ramalingam was a Siddha from the tradition. Given his abilities and success he also had a role of larger social ethical teachings and social reform as he had thousands of people following him for guidance this explains many of his teachings which where an attempt to bring about positive social reforms. I think he also put his ascension teachings within the Bhakti tradition as this would be easy for the average person to follow already and understand and require no real change in culture norms which is uncomfortable and creates resistance. Something to note is Ramalingam understood his own peoples culture an artisan made a clay statue of Ramalingam and presented it to him. Ramalingam dropped it on the ground on purpose and destroyed it. He forbade this type of behavior because he wanted people to focus on his teachings not on worshipping him.

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:57 am We don't have to agree on everything, and I thank you for sharing your views and information.

What I gathered happened is the JoS had four founding members. Maxine, Willard, Dan, Burke. Dan got wise from being close to Maxine and quit. His name was still hated when I showed in 2005. Burke's mental illness and or drug problems got the best of him. And Willard might have been forced out somehow by Maxine. She wouldn't even mention him or what happen which means she is lying and covering. Maxine then started to sell clergy positions to Cecily Rossi, Vovim and Teloc this includes Nick he was bribing her with a lot of money behind the scenes to get his way. Maxine's father Satan was a cheap buck. It was over the years the JoS was turned into a cult. It was not that bad when I first joined you could still disagree. Nick has turned the JoS into North Korea the whole place is a violently run safe space for one individual, Nick.

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:10 am

Don Danko wrote:I think Maxine wanted me in the moderation Jewlag as I caught her lying to me numerous times attempting to cover for Nick and cover her own role up. I suspect on her part its because I was starting to ask questions about issues in her doctrines. Which I attributed to normal human error but Maxine shows to many she has this insane jealousy and rage at even the smallest notice of anything she does not want. She also shows this jealousy if anyone mentions they have any interaction with the gods beyond her claims or equal to her claims this also involves is anyone makes statement of decent level psychic abilities. This sends her into a jealous rage. Maxine I believe many times just probably lied about things for this reason. Nick is the same way.

That is not the way that leaders act. From examining the JoS forums, reading the material on their website, listening to former members, and looking at the information that you gave me, it appears that Maxine and HoodedCobra were leaders only in title(a title that they assigned to themselves). They substantiated their claim to priesthood by setting themselves up as mediators to the Gods. This is quite deceptive, as they stated that their are no mediators in Satanism, and then proceed to set themselves up has mediators to the Gods.

Maxine ordered me to the work project of decoding the runes. She told me the gods wanted me to do this. So I spent years doing this project. It went longer because of all the other work projects Maxine was loading on me 24/7. Because she was too lazy to do anything herself. When I started to decode them enough to use them internally and I informed Maxine of this. All of a sudden the gods just changed their mind and didn't want this information out. I suspect she was afraid this knowledge would advanced people well past their limitations. She didn't want this. She was obsessed with hording spiritual knowledge and ordering us in the name of the Gods to do this and only share it with her. I think she also wanted to steal this for herself. Nick was constantly deleting even one article on the internal use of a rune over and over in the moderation que.

Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:21 am What I gathered happened is the JoS had four founding members. Maxine, Willard, Dan, Burke. Dan got wise from being close to Maxine and quit. His name was still hated when I showed in 2005. Burke's mental illness and or drug problems got the best of him. And Willard might have been forced out somehow by Maxine. She wouldn't even mention him or what happen which means she is lying and covering. Maxine then started to sell clergy positions to Cecily Rossi, Vovim and Teloc this includes Nick he was bribing her with a lot of money behind the scenes to get his way. Maxine's father Satan was a cheap buck. It was over the years the JoS was turned into a cult. It was not that bad when I first joined you could still disagree. Nick has turned the JoS into North Korea the whole place is a violently run safe space for one individual, Nick.

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:10 am

Don Danko wrote:I think Maxine wanted me in the moderation Jewlag as I caught her lying to me numerous times attempting to cover for Nick and cover her own role up. I suspect on her part its because I was starting to ask questions about issues in her doctrines. Which I attributed to normal human error but Maxine shows to many she has this insane jealousy and rage at even the smallest notice of anything she does not want. She also shows this jealousy if anyone mentions they have any interaction with the gods beyond her claims or equal to her claims this also involves is anyone makes statement of decent level psychic abilities. This sends her into a jealous rage. Maxine I believe many times just probably lied about things for this reason. Nick is the same way.

That is not the way that leaders act. From examining the JoS forums, reading the material on their website, listening to former members, and looking at the information that you gave me, it appears that Maxine and HoodedCobra were leaders only in title(a title that they assigned to themselves). They substantiated their claim to priesthood by setting themselves up as mediators to the Gods. This is quite deceptive, as they stated that their are no mediators in Satanism, and then proceed to set themselves up has mediators to the Gods.

Someone here linked to an old forum from the mid 00s made by this "Dan" guy and he was saying it all 15 years ago. The JOS /Maxine would be an interesting case study in the future for people looking back on early internet subcultures/cults.

it's pretty irrelevant now and has been for a while, but at one point it actually was extremely popular and well known on the internet in general.

the only people who even give a shit about it these days are people who have some kind of emotional connection to it for it having spent years either eating up their doctrine and or having a lot of invested time in it. i dont think the main site has even changed or added anything in over ten years. noone in the national socialism/pro white sphere knows what it is or has even heard of it and the typical liberal satanist groups dont even spend their time acknowledging their existence unlike in the past with new "exposingJOS" websites popping up around every corner.

I don't want to completely shit on Maxine because even though all of the positive meditations and such were just taken from books (mostly Bardons Initiation to Hermeticism which is a good book to go through in general if you ignore the cuckery aspects) she did a good job putting it alltogether in a an way that was a good gateway for people to get esoteric/meditation/yoga as well as national socialism. so it wasn't all bad.

the negatives of course being the Goetia/satan larp and how she'd lie about getting communication from "the Gods"/her ability as a psychic in general. this is something thats very common in general via this subculture. I think she also stopped giving as much of a shit about national socialism/the group in general once Cliff was kicked out from his nazi group. just maintaining it and checking in a couple times a month to ensure the donations kept coming in. Lots of her posts in the past ten years look pretty reminiscent of some Alex Jones level of understanding or christian end of times predictions. certainly not the level of insight you'd expect from some super advanced person.

With the hoarding information of her and Cobra it's obvious, they were afraid people would advance past a point and realize they are full of shit. Keeping themself as the mediator between the peons and "the gods"(aka their opinion). Not that they were actually using the information for themself.

it's obvious Hitler and the others outright hated Christianity, but they had to appease the christian element of the nation which was very influential/powerful in those times. its possible a number of them believed in certain christian corruptions that still tied them in to the energy. I believe most of the traitors of the nation though were just outright christians like the Junkers as well as Jews, masons, etc.

I think the reality is they just didn't have a complete understanding of things (as do neither of us quite frankly). People want to act like Hitler came down from the sky or him and his boys just found a book in some random library revealing every truth of the universe or some guru who knew all, but they were all learning along the way just like all of us are. on top of the other immense responsibilities they all had.