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Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:21 pm
They state in their own words that they are not Satanists. That they only use Satanism as a tool for their own ends. But they do have a religion and a God.

so what do these 09a idiots have to do with Satanism then and why u post about it here?

So you find opportunity to slander others of course.

siatris wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:43 am

Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:21 pm
They state in their own words that they are not Satanists. That they only use Satanism as a tool for their own ends. But they do have a religion and a God.

so what do these 09a idiots have to do with Satanism then and why u post about it here?

So you find opportunity to slander others of course.

Hi Siatris,

The intention of this thread was simple. I just wanted to spread awareness of the Order of Nine Angles. I've tried not to slander them or any other group or organization.

I try to be objective and unbiased. Perhaps I should not have interjected my personal emotions regarding National Socialism? I'll take fault for that.

The objective and unbiased data is that ONA uses Satanism and National Socialism in its corpus and views. Whether such Satanism and/or National Soclalism is "bad" or "evil" is a matter of personal opinion.

I also apologize for interjecting my personal opinions about the ONA's alleged association with child prostitution and child abuse. I should have just presented that data in an unbiased manner, so as to not look as though I am slandering the ONA or any organization.

Please note therefore that any and all moral judgments which I have made in this thread are my own non-authoritative personal opinions, and that they should be disregarded.

I will conduct myself more properly in future posts about ONA and present data about them in an objective and unbiased manner, so as not to be judgemental or slander anybody or any organizations.

Henrik Gustav II wrote: I also apologize for interjecting my personal opinions about the ONA's alleged association with child prostitution and child abuse. I should have just presented that data in an unbiased manner, so as to not look as though I am slandering the ONA or any organization.

Henrik please don't apologize to Siatris the troll. This is a free speech place and we encourage all of our members to be unapologetic and say their peace .

Satanism is new for me. This is first time I hear ONA, they are Satanic group? What are beliefs?

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:40 am

Henrik Gustav II wrote: I also apologize for interjecting my personal opinions about the ONA's alleged association with child prostitution and child abuse. I should have just presented that data in an unbiased manner, so as to not look as though I am slandering the ONA or any organization.

Henrik please don't apologize to Siatris the troll. This is a free speech place and we encourage all of our members to be unapologetic and say their peace .

Thank you HP Mamba. I didn't realize that Siatris was a troll. I noticed that Siatris seemed angry at certain people. I wasn't sure what was going on.

EpicShauna wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:37 am Satanism is new for me. This is first time I hear ONA, they are Satanic group? What are beliefs?

Hi EpicShauna,

I'll try to answer your question as objectively and unbiased as I can, because I don't want Siatris to attack me or accuse me of slandering ONA or JoS, etc.

Basically, the Order of Nine Angles "belief system" is based on something they call the "ONA/O9A Corpus" which consists of all the writings by a man named "Anton Long," written between the years 1976-2011. Nobody knows exactly who "Anton Long" is, because its a pen name. Although many people believe that "Anton Long" is a pseudonym of David Myatt.

There are a couple of interesting and unfortunate aspects about the "ONA Corpus." First is that that Corpus is over 5000 pages long:

http://www.o9a.org/the-big-ass-ona-collection/

Second is that the massive Corpus contradicts itself, because over the span of the 40 years of Anton Long writing, he naturally became more educated, more insightful, and so he changes his mind often. For example, some parts of that Corpus teaches ONA members to become violent terrorists and revolt against governments. But in other places, the same Corpus teaches that using force to destroy governments does not achieve anything long lasting.

The Corpus also openly admits that the individual ONA member has the right to determine what Satan is to themselves. Meaning that as an ONA member, you can be either a theist who believes that Satan is a real being, or you can be an atheist who believes that Satan is a symbol.

The Corpus also teaches that the Satanism of the ONA is only cosmetic. Like a costume, and that as a member, you don't even have to be a Satanist. In fact, a subgroup of ONA members called "The Dreccs," are not Satanists. And a well known ONA member named Chloe is in fact a Buddhist.

The ONA Corpus also teaches that the ONA uses National Socialism as a tool for its own ends and purposes, but that as a member, you do not have to be a Nazi. In fact, the well known Chloe who is a Buddhist is not Caucasian, she is mostly East Asian: http://www.o9a.org/about-chloe-352/

It is interesting to note and observe, and is very revealing, that although an ONA member such as Chloe is a Buddhist and an Asian girl, she teaches people to be Satanists and Nazis, even though she herself is not a Satanist or a Nazi.

The ONA is intentionally hidden beneath layers and layers of myths and legends, which it calls the "Labyrinthos Mythologicus," which basically means a "Maze of Myths" or a "Mythical Maze." The maze of myth refers to the layers and layers of stories, fabrications, lies, legends, they circulate in public, which hides the genuine essence of the ONA. It is the responsibility of each individual ONA member to work to unravel the outer myths to find the essence of the ONA.

The essence of the ONA is actually based on Hermeticism, ancient Greek philosophy, philosophical alchemy, and mysticism. In fact, a majority of Chloe's thousands of pages of writings, is primarily philosophical and Buddhist in nature and tone.

In public they talk about Satanism, and Nazism, and violence. But amongst themselves, they talk about the nature of the cosmos, about Theos, the Cosmic Being, the nature of reality, about cosmology, about civilization and the further evolution of human civilization towards becoming a starborne civilization.

It is hard for a non-initiate of the ONA to see and understand what the ONA really is all about, because being on the outside, we only see their Maze of Myths. In order to truly learn what the ONA in essence is all about, we would need to study that 5000 paged Corpus.

Regarding criminal activities, ONA is notorious for being involved in crimes, even high crimes such as terrorism and murders. Officially, the ONA Corpus teaches that the individual person has the supreme authority of judgment of morals and conduct. The ONA itself, as an institution is amoral, meaning that it has no set standard of moral rightness or wrongness. The supremacy of individual judgement in ONA doctrine: http://www.o9a.org/individual-judgment/

I hope this was helpful. I tried to keep my own personal opinions and feelings out of this post, and tried to present information about ONA to you in as best an objective and unbiased manner as possible.

This info is very interesting to me, I never knew that O9A existed until today. What a bunch of gangster hoodlums! Who is their God? Hitler?

Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:21 pm Most of the people who are involved in the ONA are despicable and disgusting.

They are indeed a Nazi Cult. In their own words, they even openly admit that National Socialism, as revised by David Myatt, is their religion:

https://archive.org/details/nexion-zi ... /mode/1up

The Order of Nine Angles have taken things regarding Nazism to an absurd level, where they have even deified Hitler as a God. In an essay titled "Adolf Hitler As Dark God," they made Hitler one of the Gods of their pantheon: https://archive.org/details/nexion-zin ... mode/1up

They state in their own words that they are not Satanists. That they only use Satanism as a tool for their own ends. But they do have a religion and a God.

The JoS used to use the ONA material for rituals back in the day Salem would post ONA content rituals and the ONA ideology of Temple 88 was spread around in the groups. The ONA was a combination of Lovecraft, Crowley and something out of Dennis Wheatley movie. I never took it seriously and most people don't. But this was part of the JoS using maxine's group to recruit people into her husbands NSM.

The main argument seems to be is Satan the angel of the Bible or some pre-Jewish god. The answer is the angel from the Bible because that is where this concept comes from. The Bible is also a magical system and the angels are archetypes of energy that can be summoned and connected with in Kabbalah magic. Even Satan in the Sanskrit is a formula of Sa-life-Ta-birth-Na-death so it ends in death. Maybe that is why the Hebrews might have used a possible Sanskrit word for such title for their archetype of the angel of death Ha Satan.

Jeff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:46 pm This info is very interesting to me, I never knew that O9A existed until today. What a bunch of gangster hoodlums! Who is their God? Hitler?

Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:21 pm Most of the people who are involved in the ONA are despicable and disgusting.

They are indeed a Nazi Cult. In their own words, they even openly admit that National Socialism, as revised by David Myatt, is their religion:

https://archive.org/details/nexion-zi ... /mode/1up

The Order of Nine Angles have taken things regarding Nazism to an absurd level, where they have even deified Hitler as a God. In an essay titled "Adolf Hitler As Dark God," they made Hitler one of the Gods of their pantheon: https://archive.org/details/nexion-zin ... mode/1up

They state in their own words that they are not Satanists. That they only use Satanism as a tool for their own ends. But they do have a religion and a God.

Essentially, they have turned Hitler into a God and worship him. See the second link for details.

Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:51 pm The JoS used to use the ONA material for rituals back in the day Salem would post ONA content rituals and the ONA ideology of Temple 88 was spread around in the groups. The ONA was a combination of Lovecraft, Crowley and something out of Dennis Wheatley movie. I never took it seriously and most people don't. But this was part of the JoS using maxine's group to recruit people into her husbands NSM.

Everybody never took O9A/ONA seriously. Everybody underestimated ONA, even though many scholars warned the public about how dangerous ONA is years ago:

https://oxford.universitypressscholars ... apter-12

When we don't take them seriously and underestimate them, we leave them free and uninhibited to brood, grow, spread, murder, and rape. Now the UK government and FBI takes them seriously and are calling for them to be banned as a terrorist group: