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Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:23 am
by Don Danko
Now they can go and shack up with Cobra who is always bullshitting them and hustles them for money, collects information on them to blackmail them with and his insane meth addicts who delight in animal rape and scat porn and adult men with anime avatars who threaten to kill people online. They are where they belong and feel at home.
AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:25 am
Thank you don for helping bring people back to the JOS. I came here just to say this. Now people are realizing the truth behind this place cause your so obvious.
Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:27 am
by Don Danko
The Nazi's And Christianity
Rosenberg, Chamberlin and Nietzsche where the founders of Nazi thought and their mystical doctrine of the Thule Society as well. This is the origin of the doctrine of Nazi Christianity which is called 'Positive Christianity' upon which Hitler believed and built his Reich Church upon. The literal Gospel of an Aryan Christ and Christianity. Dietrich Eckart, Hitler's personal mentor, guru and friend was a mystical Christian from his own statements. Hitler dedicated the second part of his book 'Mein Kampf' to Eckart and had a personal shrine to him at his political meeting house when the leader of Germany.
Dietrich Eckart's own public writings compares the Jews to Satan not exactly making Eckart a Satanist. Eckart was an important member of the Thule Society and his name appears as such in the membership list the former director of the Thule Society, published in his second book:
"In a piece entitled “The Midgard Serpent,” written shortly after the November Revolution, Eckart combined Nordic apocalyptic beliefs with Christian eschatology as seen in Revelation. He metaphorically linked Jews to both the evil Midgard serpent that Thor battles and the Red Dragon, symbolizing Satan, who rises up in Revelation.
Eckart further associated the release of Satan to the emancipation of the Jews of Europe. In other words, with Jewish emancipation, Satan had been loosed, and his world rule via the Jews was imminent. Eckart ended his piece with a reference to Revelation 12, writing, “for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”1
Rosenberg admitted his book which lays the entire philosophy for the Nazi Party was just a rewrite of his own guru's, Chamberlain, Christian work 'The Foundations'. Chamberlain is the true philosopher of exoteric National Socialism he is to National Socialism what Marx's is to Communism. Mein Kampf is just a repeating of his book 'The Foundations' and numerous other writings.
"The personality and life of Jesus, whom, Chamberlain and Rosenberg, Nazi Germany's two most influential philosophers, considered as Aryan by race and spirit, as Rosenberg's following passage testifies:
"The Roman Church has emphasized his submissive humility because it wishes to have as many submissive followers as possible. To correct this is a problem for a German revival. To us, Jesus appears as a lord who is conscious of his lordship in the highest and best sense of the term. It is his life which is significant for Germanic men...We discern in the Gospels the might preacher, the ma of wrath in the Temple, the man whom all men followed, not the sacrificial lamb of Jewish prophecy, not the crucified one".
"Thus, Nietzsche (and later the Nazis) despised Judaeo-Christianity as "the anti-Aryan religion par excellence". as a Semitic religion which represents "the revaluation of all Aryan values", and which is hence unworthy of its founder, Jesus Christ, "the noblest man", a "free spirit" whose "un-Jewish, mystical doctrine of the Kingdom of Heaven within us' the Nazis praised as typically Aryan, while Chamberlain saw in the birth of Jesus Christ the most important date in the whole history of mankind:
"The coming of Christ signifies, from the point of view of world's story, the coming of a new human species".
"Indeed, for Chamberlain, Jesus, though of Jewish culture and religion, was definitely not a Jew neither by race nor spirit, implying that pure Aryan blood had been infused into the Galileans who were viewed by the Jews as an alien people:
"Christ was not a Jew... whoever asserts he is is either ignorant or insincere...There is not the slightest foundation for the supposition that Christ's parents were of Jewish descent... The probability that Christ was no Jew, that he had not a drop of genuinely Jewish blood in his veins, is so great that it is almost equivalent to a certainty".
"For Rosenberg, Nazism's philosopher who called for a "Germanic Christianity", contrasting Jesus the Aryan with Paul the Jew, the real Christ was the heroic rebel against the Jewish spirit, a "Son of God" or God-Man, " contrast to the Jewish doctrine of the servant of God", an Aryan Superman who, according to Chamberlain, had brought:
"Not peace but the sword. The life of Jesus Christ is an open declaration of war, not against the forms of civilization, culture and religion, which He found around Him- but certainly against the inner spirit of mankind, against the motives which underlie their action, against the goal which they set for themselves in the future life and in the present".
"For Nietzsche, "The church is precisely that against which Jesus preached- and against which he taught his disciples to fight"....And thus, Christianity which ironically took its name from its radically different original founder and the Church, are regarded by Nietzsche as the exact antitheses to the Gospel, to Christ's spirit and practice, and therefore, the "world-historical irony" lay in the fact "that mankind should fall on its knees before the opposite of what was the original, the meaning, the right of the Gospel."
"Hence the heroic and mystical spirit of Jesus Christ is sharply contrasted with the Jewish cowardly, materialistic, and base spirit. Hitler in fact says that the:
"Jews' life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine".
Nietzsche's following:
"Jesus had done away with the concept 'guilt' instilling-he had denied any chasm between God and man, he lived this unity of God and man as his 'glad tiding'..."What did Christ deny? Everything that is today called Christian...precisely that which is Christian in the ecclesiastical sense is anti-Christian in essence: things and people instead of symbols; history instead of eternal facts; forms, rites, dogmas instead of a way of life. Utter indifference to dogmas, cults, priests, church, theology is Christian.. Jesus starts directly with the condition the ''kingdom of Heaven' is in the heart, and he does not bind the means to in in the observances of the Jewish church; the reality of Judaism itself he relates as nothing; he is purely inward He likewise ignores the entire system of crude formalities governing intercourse with God: he opposes the whole teaching of repentance and atonement; he demonstrates how one must live in order to feel 'deified' and how one will not achieve it through repentance and contrition for one sins; 'sin is of no account' in his central judgment... The Kingdom of Heaven is a condition of the heart...not something 'above the earth'. The Kingdom of God does not 'come' chronologically-historically,, on a certain day in the calendar, something that might be here one day but not the day before: it is an 'inward change in the individual', something that comes at every moment and at every moment has not yet arrived".
Thus spoke Nietzsche:
"To resume I shall now relate the real history of Christianity The word 'Christianity ' is already a misunderstanding in reality there has been only one Christian, and he died on the Cross. The Evangel' died on the Cross. What was called 'Evangel' from this moment onwards was already the opposite of what he had lived: 'bad tidings', a dyangel...Only Christian practice, a life such as he who died on the cross lived, is Christian...Even today, such a life is possible for certain men even necessary genuine primitive Christianity will be possible at all times ...Not a belief but a going, above all a not doing of many things a different being..."
For Nietzsche:
"Christianity was an inner experience, a practice, and not an outward "truth"...Therefore true Christianity does not come from blind adherence to a limited set of ideas God, the Beyond, Heaven...what Nietzsche termed "crude answers", but from a direct personal encounter with the spiritual reality with the "God within".
"Adopting Nietzsche's views on Christ and Christianity, the Nazis also believed that true Christianity was base on the mystical concept "the kingdom of heaven is within us", and Chamberlain, basing himself on Christ's own words: "the kingdom of God cometh not with the observation: neither shall they say, lo here or lo there. Fro behold. the Kingdom of God is within you" acknowledges this concept of an inner Christ:
"Theses words of Christ have, however, as we can see, never the character of a doctrine...Down through the ages we hear the words 'Learn of me' and we understand what they mean: to be as Christ was, to live as Christ lived, to die as Christ died, that is the Kingdom of God, that is eternal life".
"Hitler rejected the "servile Judeo-Christian religion of weakness and pity" advocating the belief in a stronger heroic faith, a belief in God which would be inseparable from the Aryan's festive and his blood a faith that does not reject and negate this life in favor of a life in the "beyond" an Aryan religion for free men, who, in Alfred Rosenberg's own words, "know and fell that God is within them"
Hitler's public proclamation of Christianity was in accordance with his own actual belief in it:
"In 1922, a decade before Hitler took power, former Prime Minister of Bavaria Count von Lerchenfeld-Köfering stated in a speech before the Landtag of Bavaria that his beliefs "as a man and a Christian" prevented him from being an anti-Semite or from pursuing anti-Semitic public policies. Hitler turned Lerchenfeld's perspective of Jesus on its head, telling a crowd in Munich:
"I would like here to appeal to a greater than I, Count Lerchenfeld. He said in the last session of the Landtag that his feeling 'as a man and a Christian' prevented him from being an anti-Semite. I say: My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[2]
In a 1928 speech, he said: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian."[3]"
Source:
All unnumbered quotes are from: Nietzsche, Prophet Of Nazism: The Cult Of The Superman, Abir Taha
[1]Dietrich Eckart, “Die Midgardschlange,” Auf gut deutsch (December 30, 1919), 680-681
[2]Speech delivered at Munich 12 April 1922; from Norman H. Baynes, ed. (1942). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922 – August 1939. Vol. 1. New York: Oxford University Press. p. 19.
[3] Speech in Passau 27 October 1928 Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf; from Richard Steigmann-Gall (2003). Holy Reich: Nazi conceptions of Christianity, 1919–1945. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. pp. 60–61
Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 6:28 am
by Don Danko
The Nazi Party came out of the German Teutonic Movement which had a strong Christian wing the German Christian Teutonic Movement of which basic doctrine is summed up here this is what Chamberlain espoused as well and became the basis of the exoteric wing of the Party.
The book: 'Atlantis Edda & Bible by Hermann Wieland (1925)' was ordered banned and destroyed by the Allied forces after the second war from reports for being the actual bible of Nazi Christianity. This book highlights what the actual Aryan Christianity that Hitler, Rosenberg, Himmler and the Nazi doctrine espoused. That
Aryan Christianity is literally based on the ideology the Germans where the original 'Chosen People' of the Bible including Jesus. And the ancient Hebrews stole this from them and are the false 'Chosen People' also called 'Master Race' in this book. This book shows Nazism was Judaism for Germans. Its no mistake this came from a Protestant nation.
From the introduction of the book:
"Dollinger succeeded in that his first work to show us the proof that Jesus was not a Jew, but in fact an Aryan and that Christianity originated from a German-Aryan source and that many of the ancient Jewish cultures and allegedly Jewish culture of Palestine where indeed Germanic instead. It is thus that we Germans have been instilled for 2,000 years by the Jews of their being the Chosen People"..."
"In the following pages the attempt will now be made to solve the final riddle of the Bible and the reader will see in amazement in how a great effort has been in the last 2,500 years by unscrupulous thieves and skillful literally forgers to distort venerable Aryan holy writings to exchange the Jewish people as the "Master Race" of the world and to make the Germans into their servants..."
"The result of our current struggles as German people will be determined entirely by our critical ideas. If we persist in believing in the international ideals instilled by Judea and Rome then we will lose despite all these temporary successes. But if we keep to the facts stated here and our base beliefs on a reclaimed Aryan Christianity and its racial laws then we will be assured a bloodly victory over the cabal of our worldly enemies..."
From the tenth chapter the Germans are the 12 tribes of Israel:
"It is the German people (Kelien/Thelen/Helden, Heroes) that the house of Israel refers to when they speak of lambs and sheep. Jesus wanted the lost sheep of the house of Israel to once again be found in other words to be reunited in one kingdom. Indeed the name "Israel" is itself an ancient Germanic designation for the various German tribes that existed long before any Jews came to live in Palestine. The name itself originally related to the German tribes that emigrated to this area of Palestine mountains and Carmel mountain. The Hebrews have appropriated this name in their maneuverings so that they might be viewed by others as belonging to a higher bred race and so they can be viewed as Gods "chosen ones". The original twelve tribes of Israel are the twelve Germanic tribes and are not as such Hebrew."
From the chapter on: 'The historical Jesus"
"The Jews themselves thus know perfectly well this is indeed a historical personage. So are the Gospels if correctly understood as a work of immense scope and high moral significance, then the poetry of any specific peoples? Are they poetry of the Jews? impossible! The high moral spirit that shines from the Gospels. and which Goethe could not boast of enough, could simply not have sprung from the brain of a Hebrew. As our racial researchers can rightfully testify. It is certainly guaranteed that these Ebraer, these Hebrews would also thus have taken great care to ensure these teachings of Jesus which are in fact diametrically opposed to the worldview of the teachings of the Jews never be allowed to be claimed by the German world in which they so thoroughly despise. Least they themselves be flung to their own demise.
Absolutely not! Jesus was not one of theirs with their endless schemes of world subversion; the teachings of Jesus instead come from a deep knowledge of nature and the extermination of the weeds of humanity (see chapter 37). This spirit never could have come from a Jew; it could only have spurted from a Germanic a son of god (the Goths). The abysmal hatred of Jesus and his teachings and the cross are all manifested in the blasphemous "sacred" writings of the Jews. This undoubtedly then has some sort of historical background to it. This Jesus most have been a Germanic personality of an intensely singular importance..."
"There can be little doubt then he was one of the brave few that pointed out the dangers of mixing with these children of the Devil. And thus one of the brave few to demand their extermination during the times of Aryan troubles. Thus he must have been of the valiant few to stand and enter into combat against them and their bloody sacrifice rituals and customs. It thus quite an obvious fact he must have been persecuted with limitless anger and pursued by the Ebraer of the entire world.
Jesus and his teachings have therefore not originated from Judaism. Those who deny this must then deny political, nature and racial scientific truths and truths."
"We find in the Christian church the association of the Jesus Christ with the Germans through his representation in his coat of arms as proto Germanic cross combined with the symbol of the sun. Or even more directly as the symbol of the German people themselves, the lamb. He must therefore be considered according to his ancient family, tribal coats of arms as a Germanic king of this there can be doubt."
"Mount Calvary was a worship site for the ancient Canaanite Germans who where subjugated by the Hebrews..."
"For the Germans of Palestine, Jesus was known by a varied different names. He was called "the divine son" the Messiah, or the Christus "the anointed one". Which designated he was from a royal bloodline. He was also called the Arch Angel Michael or even Joshua which meant "help from god" "savior" or "redeemer"...
"With time the Galilean and Sarmatian Germans began to increasing mix with the Jews from the south; this unfortunate circumstance gave the Hebrews the opportunity to get their hands on the records and the sagas of the Germans! In addition these hostile Jews blended themselves in with the Germans of the Middle East with the rites of baptism in order to obtain a more direct and dominate influence over them and their ancestor Jesus. These deceptive Hebrews then gained access to the legends and histories of Esus and then falsified both them and the genealogy of Jesus so as to make it appear he was the offspring of the Jews."
"Thus these snake and dragon people where made to appear as the "Holy and chosen ones of God". This was indeed a diabolical political move of the first order. One which brought disasters of every kind in its wake to the Germanic peoples."
From chapter 37:
"The great wars of the world are more then the struggles of ideals. The Aryan-Christ and nationalist ideal are opposed to the internationalist ideal. On behalf of German-Teutonic Christianity and the German nation itself we will therefore enter into the final and decisive battle between the Aryan god and the pagan animal-men; and annihilate them and then like the Japhetite's of the Bible we will "dwell" in the tents of Shem and Ham. ie,. we will settle their lands with our own Germanic and Aryan country men. Throw away these imaginary, falsified and mendacious word of "love thy enemies" and instead march foreword to crush these animals! The guiding light that will charge our struggles is the racial laws of the "Old Testament" (our "old covenant") and the Gospels of Jesus, i.e,. The "good news' of the protection and deification of Aryanism. Under the battle-flag of the ancient Aryan Christian cross and the ancient swastika we will regain the ancient Germanic lands that have been stolen from us over the centuries and we will regain greater Germania."
Sources:
All quotes from:
Atlantis Edda & Bible by Hermann Wieland (1925)
Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:15 am
by Don Danko
The founder and leader of the Thule Society, Baron Von Sebottendorf in his own book praises the Abrahamic god of Christianity-Islam and was a Islamic Sufi. All he does the entire book is praise the Abrahamic god and magical systems.
Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:30 am
by Don Danko
Miguel Serrano in his own books shows why the German's lost the war....Hitler. Now if Hitler was an avatar why did he make crucial mistakes? Like Poland? Bromberg did happen till after the start of the war with Poland. The Nazi leaders admit in their own writings they got played and suckered into the Polish campaign and had no ideal it would lead to a large war with Britain and France. They were arrogant and over confident and didn't listen to the warning they got this would lead to a larger war. This helped cost them the war with the Soviets. If Hitler was an avatar why didn't he get the Soviets where going to invade till later on in 1940. Stalin had been planning this for almost fifteen years. Stalin almost totality fooled him. They found this out after they had lost a third of their air force over Britain. They needed for fighting the Soviets.
Serrano states Hitler made the move which ended Germany by declaring war on America because he wanted the Japanese to declare war on the Soviet Union so he believe the Japanese would do this to reciprocate the Germans declaring war on America. Japan a small island empire was already in a total war with the British Empire and the American Empire and the major Nationalist and Communist Chinese forces I doubt they needed to go to war with the USSR. They already lost the entire sixth army to them in the late 30's. How would an avatar make such a dumb mistake? Any normal politician could see a mile off?
Normandy was only successful because Hitler held the entire needed Germany military back because he believed the invasion was coming from another location and Normandy was a ruse. Despite his commanders where radioing him and telling there is a zillion ships on the coast and full military landings going on. What an avatar move. The British fooled Hitler yet again.
Serrano mentions Hitler had advanced weapons even the Atomic bomb but forbid them all from being used. So Germany was totality destroyed and the population raped and massacred after the war. Did Hitler care more about virtue signaling then winning the war. Let Germany go to hell so he could feel at ease or something?
If Hitler was an avatar how didn't he know his own generals were betraying him? Someone with avatar powers would know that. They almost succeed in killing him and overthrowing his government in the later war. They took him by surprise. Not exactly an avatar or spiritual adept.
Serrano's nonsense states Hitler is going to return with a fleet of Nazi UFO's from another dimension and conqueror the world. This is where Maxine stole her claims from. I guess Serrano didn't know the fat assed cat lady Maxine was going to return with Hitler to get more donations for KFC and porn binges.
Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:02 am
by Hayden
You use Table talks as a source, yet if you actually read it, it’s full of anti-christian quotes by Hitler that perfectly match up with the memoirs of those in his inner circle regarding his thoughts on such. While most of the pro-christian quotes are from early Hitler speeches. Remember, Hitler was a politician for a country that was nearly entirely Christian and he had to bring people together. That Atlantis, Edda & Bible by Herman Wieland(Who?) being the Bible of Nazi Germany, the only evidence of this is the backcover of the book by the author/publisher(LOL), likely to try and sell copies/get attention.
Hitlers religion per inner circle
Albert Speer Memoirs “You see it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion, why couldn’t we have the religion of the Japanese who recognize the sacrifice of the Fatherland to the highest decree? Or the Mohammeds? Why did it have to be the meekness and flabbiness of Christianity.”
Hitlers secretary 1933-45: “He had no religious affiliation. He considered Christianity to have been a hypocritical trap that outlived its time. His religion was the law of nature.”
Otto Dietrich: “He was sharply hostile to Christianity and the Churches” Primitive Christianity he declared, was the first Jewish-communistic cell’.. Hitler thought he could speed its destruction by systematic reeducation of the German youth.”
German Diplomat Walter Hewel from David Irvings The Warpath 1933-1939: “over Dinner this evening a wonderful talk on the roman empire and its displacement by Christianity…. Christianity has been one long act of deceit and contradiction… Christianity is the revenge of the wandering jew. “
Joseph Goebels Diaries 1941: “Hitler hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity”.
Not only do they all coincide with each other, but coincide with Table talks which is verified by Irving to be legitamate.
Hitlers views on religion in Table Talks
• “Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”
• “The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that’s left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.”
• “The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that they knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism/; the mobilization by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society. Thus one understands that the healthy elements of the Roman world were proof against this doctrine. Yet Rome today allows itself to reproach Bolshevism with having destroyed the Christian churches! As if Christianity hasn’t behaved in the same way towards the pagan temples.”
• “The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which is one of the essential reasons for their successes, is due to their having been saved in time from the views of Christianity”
• On Japans Paganism: It is very curious that devout Christians like the British and the Americans should, despite their constant and fervent prayers, receive such a series of hidings from the pagan Japanese ! It rather looks as if the real God takes no notice of the prayers offered day and night by the British and the Americans, but reserves His mercies for the heroes of Japan.
It is not surprising that this should be so, for the religion of the Japanese is above all a cult of heroism, and its heroes are those who do not hesitate to sacrifice their lives for the glory and safety of their country. The Christians, on the other hand, prefer to honor the Saints, that is to say, a man who succeeds in standing on one leg for years at a time, or one who prefers to lie on a bed of thorns rather than to respond to the smiles of inviting maidens. There is something very unhealthy about Christianity. Another peculiarity of the Christian faith, as it is taught by the Catholic Church, is that it is a school of pessimism rather than of optimism. The Japanese religion, on the contrary, rouses men to enthusiasm by the promise it holds of the rewards in the Hereafter, while the unfortunate Christian has no prospect before him but the torments of Hell.
• On Rosenbergs Myth of the 20th Century: "I must insist that Rosenberg's "The Myth of the Twentieth Century" is not to be regarded as an expression of the official doctrine of the Party. He notes that most of the older members of the party refrained from reading it and it greatly pleased him that most who studied it were his opponents.
Summary: He was not Christian. There is the line with him acknowledging Jesus as a real person and saying his father had to have been an aryan, but thats really it. the mass of evidence shows that he viewed Christianity negatively rather than positively.
“For the Mosaic religion is really nothing but a doctrine for the preservation of the Jewish Race. Hence, it embraces nearly ever branch of sociological, political and economic knowledge that could ever come into question in connection with it.” – Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
The fact that Nietszche was a weird incel who went insane and had strange views on certain topics shouldn’t matter either. What is important with Nietszche isn’t the man as a whole, but the selected themes he brought to the mainstream that the Nazis took and incorporated into their own world view while discarding what was fodder. Same thing with Chamberlain, who was a celebrity and pretty much the first to publicly support the Nazis and received respect for being an elder of the racial and völkish thought mainly, not for being the one who came up with their exact policy regarding every issue. Take what is good, and discard the rest.
Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:06 am
by Don Danko
I did read it I own a copy of it. Taha also cites what I mentioned in her book on the subject and shows the context. Hitler agreed with Nietzsche's idea of Christianity which he considered destroyed by Pauline Christianity and the church which he stated was Judaized and Latinized. In lay man terms they wanted the Christ without the Christianity. But still the Christ. That plugs a person into the egregore of the Jews.
Hayden wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:02 am
You use Table talks as a source, yet if you actually read it, it’s full of anti-christian quotes by Hitler that perfectly match up with the memoirs of those in his inner circle regarding his thoughts on such. While most of the pro-christian quotes are from early Hitler speeches. Remember, Hitler was a politician for a country that was nearly entirely Christian and he had to bring people together. That Atlantis, Edda & Bible by Herman Wieland(Who?) being the Bible of Nazi Germany, the only evidence of this is the backcover of the book by the author/publisher(LOL), likely to try and sell copies/get attention.
Hitlers religion per inner circle
Albert Speer Memoirs “You see it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion, why couldn’t we have the religion of the Japanese who recognize the sacrifice of the Fatherland to the highest decree? Or the Mohammeds? Why did it have to be the meekness and flabbiness of Christianity.”
Hitlers secretary 1933-45: “He had no religious affiliation. He considered Christianity to have been a hypocritical trap that outlived its time. His religion was the law of nature.”
Otto Dietrich: “He was sharply hostile to Christianity and the Churches” Primitive Christianity he declared, was the first Jewish-communistic cell’.. Hitler thought he could speed its destruction by systematic reeducation of the German youth.”
German Diplomat Walter Hewel from David Irvings The Warpath 1933-1939: “over Dinner this evening a wonderful talk on the roman empire and its displacement by Christianity…. Christianity has been one long act of deceit and contradiction… Christianity is the revenge of the wandering jew. “
Joseph Goebels Diaries 1941: “Hitler hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity”.
Not only do they all coincide with each other, but coincide with Table talks which is verified by Irving to be legitamate.
Hitlers views on religion in Table Talks
• “Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”
• “The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that’s left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.”
• “The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that they knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism/; the mobilization by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society. Thus one understands that the healthy elements of the Roman world were proof against this doctrine. Yet Rome today allows itself to reproach Bolshevism with having destroyed the Christian churches! As if Christianity hasn’t behaved in the same way towards the pagan temples.”
• “The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which is one of the essential reasons for their successes, is due to their having been saved in time from the views of Christianity”
• On Japans Paganism: It is very curious that devout Christians like the British and the Americans should, despite their constant and fervent prayers, receive such a series of hidings from the pagan Japanese ! It rather looks as if the real God takes no notice of the prayers offered day and night by the British and the Americans, but reserves His mercies for the heroes of Japan.
It is not surprising that this should be so, for the religion of the Japanese is above all a cult of heroism, and its heroes are those who do not hesitate to sacrifice their lives for the glory and safety of their country. The Christians, on the other hand, prefer to honor the Saints, that is to say, a man who succeeds in standing on one leg for years at a time, or one who prefers to lie on a bed of thorns rather than to respond to the smiles of inviting maidens. There is something very unhealthy about Christianity. Another peculiarity of the Christian faith, as it is taught by the Catholic Church, is that it is a school of pessimism rather than of optimism. The Japanese religion, on the contrary, rouses men to enthusiasm by the promise it holds of the rewards in the Hereafter, while the unfortunate Christian has no prospect before him but the torments of Hell.
• On Rosenbergs Myth of the 20th Century: "I must insist that Rosenberg's "The Myth of the Twentieth Century" is not to be regarded as an expression of the official doctrine of the Party. He notes that most of the older members of the party refrained from reading it and it greatly pleased him that most who studied it were his opponents.
Summary: He was not Christian. There is the line with him acknowledging Jesus as a real person and saying his father had to have been an aryan, but thats really it. the mass of evidence shows that he viewed Christianity negatively rather than positively.
“For the Mosaic religion is really nothing but a doctrine for the preservation of the Jewish Race. Hence, it embraces nearly ever branch of sociological, political and economic knowledge that could ever come into question in connection with it.” – Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf
The fact that Nietszche was a weird incel who went insane and had strange views on certain topics shouldn’t matter either. What is important with Nietszche isn’t the man as a whole, but the selected themes he brought to the mainstream that the Nazis took and incorporated into their own world view while discarding what was fodder. Same thing with Chamberlain, who was a celebrity and pretty much the first to publicly support the Nazis and received respect for being an elder of the racial and völkish thought mainly, not for being the one who came up with their exact policy regarding every issue. Take what is good, and discard the rest.
Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:13 am
by Hayden
Don Danko wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:15 am
The founder and leader of the Thule Society, Baron Von Sebottendorf in his own book praises the Abrahamic god of Christianity-Islam and was a Islamic Sufi. All he does the entire book is praise the Abrahamic god and magical systems.
This guy ended up running away from Germany after he let several members of Thule get captured and executed by the government only coming back to publish that book to slander Hitler before he ran away again working as a double agent for the British.
Don Danko wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:30 am
Miguel Serrano in his own books shows why the German's lost the war....Hitler. Now if Hitler was an avatar why did he make crucial mistakes? Like Poland? Bromberg did happen till after the start of the war with Poland. The Nazi leaders admit in their own writings they got played and suckered into the Polish campaign and had no ideal it would lead to a large war with Britain and France. They were arrogant and over confident and didn't listen to the warning they got this would lead to a larger war. This helped cost them the war with the Soviets. If Hitler was an avatar why didn't he get the Soviets where going to invade till later on in 1940. Stalin had been planning this for almost fifteen years. Stalin almost totality fooled him. They found this out after they had lost a third of their air force over Britain. They needed for fighting the Soviets.
Serrano states Hitler made the move which ended Germany by declaring war on America because he wanted the Japanese to declare war on the Soviet Union so he believe the Japanese would do this to reciprocate the Germans declaring war on America. Japan a small island empire was already in a total war with the British Empire and the American Empire and the major Nationalist and Communist Chinese forces I doubt they needed to go to war with the USSR. They already lost the entire sixth army to them in the late 30's. How would an avatar make such a dumb mistake? Any normal politician could see a mile off?
Normandy was only successful because Hitler held the entire needed Germany military back because he believed the invasion was coming from another location and Normandy was a ruse. Despite his commanders where radioing him and telling there is a zillion ships on the coast and full military landings going on. What an avatar move. The British fooled Hitler yet again.
Serrano mentions Hitler had advanced weapons even the Atomic bomb but forbid them all from being used. So Germany was totality destroyed and the population raped and massacred after the war. Did Hitler care more about virtue signaling then winning the war. Let Germany go to hell so he could feel at ease or something?
If Hitler was an avatar how didn't he know his own generals were betraying him? Someone with avatar powers would know that. They almost succeed in killing him and overthrowing his government in the later war. They took him by surprise. Not exactly an avatar or spiritual adept.
Serrano's nonsense states Hitler is going to return with a fleet of Nazi UFO's from another dimension and conqueror the world. This is where Maxine stole her claims from. I guess Serrano didn't know the fat assed cat lady Maxine was going to return with Hitler to get more donations for KFC and porn binges.
-the US was already at War with Germany and financing all of their enemies. Hitler declaring it or not didn't mean shit.
-The Soviets invaded in 1939. the entire point of the truce was that Hitler thought it could prevent the war with the West which he never wanted. Hitlers people were dying in the German territories that were stolen from and he had to act.
-It's not clear if Hitler actually had the bomb or they were working/almost had it, but Hitler saw a weapon of that magnitude as likely the end of the planet. Yes, how awful that he didn't want to to see such a thing come to light and be dumped on mostly innocents.
-If anything the fact that Hitler always survived the countless assassination attempts and even eluding capture in general(he got away) gives credibility to him having "avatar powers"
.(20+ according to wikipedia and probably at least as much more that were unreported).
And no I don't subscribe to Space Avatar Hitler where he is this perfect god in the flesh, but he was clearly an elite person to be admired and him and his movement presented the greatest thorn in the JWO in quite some time.
Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:28 am
by Don Danko
You could make the argument for the second book but I 'am talking about the first book. And he was the founder and leader of the Thule Society so he created the doctrines. He even published the list of members in his second book that got him arrested and exiled from Germany then he fled to Turkey.
Serrano states in his books that Otto Skorzeny told him that Hitler did have the Atomic bomb and these other advanced weapons the lesser which he used in the last offensive in the west but then withdrew and they lost.
Hitler declaring war on America did mean something it gave the cabal the chance they wanted to go to open war with Germany which is why they were doing all those things to fool Hitler into declaring war on them. Then millions of American troops, thousands of tanks, planes and warships of America pounded Germany into dust. Hitler's generals who survived the war themselves stated they knew the war was lost when Hitler declared war on America. They might have been able to win in time in the east till they gained some new advantage but not with America attacking them through Italy and France. It caused a three front war. Which allowed the Soviets to win. The Soviets invasion was planned for the late summer or early autumn of 1941. The Soviet archives show this.
The Soviets invaded Poland just over two weeks after the Germans did. Its stated this was the hidden agreement in the Molotov–Ribbentrop pact Germany made with the USSR.
Anyway my points are given the mistakes of Hitler they don't demonstrate an individual of the level of any spiritual advancement claimed. From studying Hitler he was good at studying the works of genius people on a vast amount of subjects and then put them into power when the leader of Germany. These were not forming out of his own mind. The last major attempt at the Wolf's Lair, they almost killed him and overthrew the government in a military coup in Berlin. Skorzeny talked about this in the book interview done with him. It was Skorzeny's own genius that stopped this he was the right man at the right place for Hitler.
Hayden wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:13 am
Don Danko wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:15 am
The founder and leader of the Thule Society, Baron Von Sebottendorf in his own book praises the Abrahamic god of Christianity-Islam and was a Islamic Sufi. All he does the entire book is praise the Abrahamic god and magical systems.
This guy ended up running away from Germany after he let several members of Thule get captured and executed by the government only coming back to publish that book to slander Hitler before he ran away again working as a double agent for the British.
Don Danko wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:30 am
Miguel Serrano in his own books shows why the German's lost the war....Hitler. Now if Hitler was an avatar why did he make crucial mistakes? Like Poland? Bromberg did happen till after the start of the war with Poland. The Nazi leaders admit in their own writings they got played and suckered into the Polish campaign and had no ideal it would lead to a large war with Britain and France. They were arrogant and over confident and didn't listen to the warning they got this would lead to a larger war. This helped cost them the war with the Soviets. If Hitler was an avatar why didn't he get the Soviets where going to invade till later on in 1940. Stalin had been planning this for almost fifteen years. Stalin almost totality fooled him. They found this out after they had lost a third of their air force over Britain. They needed for fighting the Soviets.
Serrano states Hitler made the move which ended Germany by declaring war on America because he wanted the Japanese to declare war on the Soviet Union so he believe the Japanese would do this to reciprocate the Germans declaring war on America. Japan a small island empire was already in a total war with the British Empire and the American Empire and the major Nationalist and Communist Chinese forces I doubt they needed to go to war with the USSR. They already lost the entire sixth army to them in the late 30's. How would an avatar make such a dumb mistake? Any normal politician could see a mile off?
Normandy was only successful because Hitler held the entire needed Germany military back because he believed the invasion was coming from another location and Normandy was a ruse. Despite his commanders where radioing him and telling there is a zillion ships on the coast and full military landings going on. What an avatar move. The British fooled Hitler yet again.
Serrano mentions Hitler had advanced weapons even the Atomic bomb but forbid them all from being used. So Germany was totality destroyed and the population raped and massacred after the war. Did Hitler care more about virtue signaling then winning the war. Let Germany go to hell so he could feel at ease or something?
If Hitler was an avatar how didn't he know his own generals were betraying him? Someone with avatar powers would know that. They almost succeed in killing him and overthrowing his government in the later war. They took him by surprise. Not exactly an avatar or spiritual adept.
Serrano's nonsense states Hitler is going to return with a fleet of Nazi UFO's from another dimension and conqueror the world. This is where Maxine stole her claims from. I guess Serrano didn't know the fat assed cat lady Maxine was going to return with Hitler to get more donations for KFC and porn binges.
-the US was already at War with Germany and financing all of their enemies. Hitler declaring it or not didn't mean shit.
-The Soviets invaded in 1939. the entire point of the truce was that Hitler thought it could prevent the war with the West which he never wanted. Hitlers people were dying in the German territories that were stolen from and he had to act.
-It's not clear if Hitler actually had the bomb or they were working/almost had it, but Hitler saw a weapon of that magnitude as likely the end of the planet. Yes, how awful that he didn't want to to see such a thing come to light and be dumped on mostly innocents.
And no I don't subscribe to Space Avatar Hitler where he is this perfect god in the flesh, but he was clearly an elite soul to be admired and him and his movement presented the greatest thorn in the JWO in quite some time.
Re: Hitlerism Nazi Christianity
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:38 am
by Don Danko
Anyway this is why the National Socialist philosophy has failed to manifest a successful neo political movement today. Its become a Hitler cult. Not a National Socialist Party political movement. Its a hero cult of Hitler not a serious political movement.
Cobra [Nick] called me a Communist for writing articles detailing the 25 points of National Socialism that detailed the Party program the Nazi's built their state on. He even deleted articles that I wrote on the point of abolishing Jewish materialism from the Nazi's 25 points. Cobra actually by ignorant confession views Nazism as a Marxist movement and he claims to hate Marxism. So why does he pretend to love National Socialism? He doesn't know anything about National Socialism he LARP's online as a fake Nazi like Maxine. And most people. At the time even with Maxine's space Hitler nonsense I still believed in and understood the actual history and doctrine of the German Nazi movement.