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HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:35 am

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:33 am My question is harming innocents, let's say children, will have repercussions in this life or another? If yes, do we call this karma right?

Your question is really vague. Can you elaborate please? Are you asking about curses or justice? Karma as a means of Justice?

Yes basically if there are a set of rules of what or not to do (to others) (((UNIVERSALLY speaking))) and if we will pay for it sooner or later in a way or another.
But you already answered the above and thank you very much for your input.

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:24 am

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:33 am What is Karma according to Jos members and ideology what about t4s stance?

Maxine used to say that you can curse people according to your own set of principles but what if you harm innocents as an idiot?
Cobra talks a lot about karma dues but doesn't go far into explaining what and why?

We come on this Earth with some pretty bad shit most of us according to our natal charts and it's hard near to impossible to escape it (even with hard core meditation sessions).

Why do we have a destiny? A destiny is real I seen people who had their future read precisely In various methods

Where is the supposedly free will people talk about when it seems planets are just antennas we cannot escape?

I don't believe in Karma. Karma is not a concept that makes sense in Satanism. Here is why...
Karma is exactly the same as the Christian concept of sin. Christianity teaches us that everyone is born with a debt of sin. How is this different from everyone being born with a karmic debt which they have to pay off with good works? Just replace the word karma for sin, and then you get Christianity.

As a pagan sun worshiper it makes sense to believe in Karma, because you are subjecting yourself to the energy of the planets. However, through self worship, Satanists rise above the planetary influence. This is what it means to escape the wheel of Dharma.

The majority of religious philosophies are collectivist, this includes pagan sun worship which teaches us that we are all worthless debtors. However, Satanist have self worth. We know that we are not debtors and we value human nature as a positive thing. We embrace what it means to be human.

If what you say it's true (I don't know) means that astrology and tarot reading etc doesn't have any meaning or sense. Isn't it?

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:29 am

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:24 am

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:33 am What is Karma according to Jos members and ideology what about t4s stance?

Maxine used to say that you can curse people according to your own set of principles but what if you harm innocents as an idiot?
Cobra talks a lot about karma dues but doesn't go far into explaining what and why?

We come on this Earth with some pretty bad shit most of us according to our natal charts and it's hard near to impossible to escape it (even with hard core meditation sessions).

Why do we have a destiny? A destiny is real I seen people who had their future read precisely In various methods

Where is the supposedly free will people talk about when it seems planets are just antennas we cannot escape?

I don't believe in Karma. Karma is not a concept that makes sense in Satanism. Here is why...
Karma is exactly the same as the Christian concept of sin. Christianity teaches us that everyone is born with a debt of sin. How is this different from everyone being born with a karmic debt which they have to pay off with good works? Just replace the word karma for sin, and then you get Christianity.

As a pagan sun worshiper it makes sense to believe in Karma, because you are subjecting yourself to the energy of the planets. However, through self worship, Satanists rise above the planetary influence. This is what it means to escape the wheel of Dharma.

The majority of religious philosophies are collectivist, this includes pagan sun worship which teaches us that we are all worthless debtors. However, Satanist have self worth. We know that we are not debtors and we value human nature as a positive thing. We embrace what it means to be human.

If what you say it's true (I don't know) means that astrology and tarot reading etc doesn't have any meaning or sense. Isn't it?

To add it further, all forms of divination will become obsolete.

Agree?

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:32 am

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:29 am

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:24 am

I don't believe in Karma. Karma is not a concept that makes sense in Satanism. Here is why...
Karma is exactly the same as the Christian concept of sin. Christianity teaches us that everyone is born with a debt of sin. How is this different from everyone being born with a karmic debt which they have to pay off with good works? Just replace the word karma for sin, and then you get Christianity.

As a pagan sun worshiper it makes sense to believe in Karma, because you are subjecting yourself to the energy of the planets. However, through self worship, Satanists rise above the planetary influence. This is what it means to escape the wheel of Dharma.

The majority of religious philosophies are collectivist, this includes pagan sun worship which teaches us that we are all worthless debtors. However, Satanist have self worth. We know that we are not debtors and we value human nature as a positive thing. We embrace what it means to be human.

If what you say it's true (I don't know) means that astrology and tarot reading etc doesn't have any meaning or sense. Isn't it?

To add it further, all forms of divination will become obsolete.

Agree?

Of course you will agree, which leads me to next point. Why are you two still doing all sorts of readings for people, then?

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:33 am My question is harming innocents, let's say children, will have repercussions in this life or another? If yes, do we call this karma right?

On its own it does not have consequences or repercussions, only if the harmed innocent takes revenge or someone who cares take revenge. The only repercussion could be the natural consequence of your actions, let's say you exterminate a race of dogs, the repercussion is those dogs don't exist anymore in this world.

To add it further, all forms of divination will become obsolete.

Agree?
Of course you will agree, which leads me to next point. Why are you two still doing all sorts of readings for people, then?

Well it really depends on a lot of things. Why do we still do the astrology and tarot readings for people? Here are some of the main reasons.

1. Our platform has a broad audience which includes theists and atheists. We are doing the readings for the theists.
2. Whether you take these readings seriously, or you are just doing them for kicks, you have to admit it's a fun way to spend your time.
3. Its a good way of being there for people in the community and providing comfort and support.
4. It's an awesome way to blaspheme against superstitious Christian beliefs and you all know how much I love to blaspheme.
5. It gets views on YouTube, which means we can create awareness for the ministry to a larger audience (so if anything, it's useful).
6. I spent many years studying astrology, so I may as well use my skills and knowledge to make friends, meet new people and entertain

Snakeway wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:53 am

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:33 am My question is harming innocents, let's say children, will have repercussions in this life or another? If yes, do we call this karma right?

On its own it does not have consequences or repercussions, only if the harmed innocent takes revenge or someone who cares take revenge.

So according to you there is no universal law or justice at work /behind the scene.
Just us versus us.
This wouldn't explain astrology (if you believe in it, I do for a fact), but thanks for your input

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:55 am

To add it further, all forms of divination will become obsolete.

Agree?
Of course you will agree, which leads me to next point. Why are you two still doing all sorts of readings for people, then?

Well it really depends on a lot of things. Why do we still do the astrology and tarot readings for people? Here are some of the main reasons.

1. Our platform has a broad audience which includes theists and atheists. We are doing the readings for the theists.
2. Whether you take these readings seriously, or you are just doing them for kicks, you have to admit it's a fun way to spend your time.
3. Its a good way of being there for people in the community and providing comfort and support.
4. It's an awesome way to blaspheme against superstitious Christian beliefs and you all know how much I love to blaspheme.
5. It gets views on YouTube, which means we can create awareness for the ministry to a larger audience (so if anything, it's useful).
6. I spent many years studying astrology, so I may as well use my skills and knowledge to make friends, meet new people and entertain

Aww how sweet Mamba
Thank you for your answer but you know it's quite hypocrite from your side (no offense)

More on the self workship could be more helpful to people, don't you think?

Your mixing all in all with no clear structure or coherence you need to make up your mind and keep a line of thinking.
For the sake of your own credibility after all

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:09 am

HPBlackMamba wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:55 am

To add it further, all forms of divination will become obsolete.

Agree?
Of course you will agree, which leads me to next point. Why are you two still doing all sorts of readings for people, then?

Well it really depends on a lot of things. Why do we still do the astrology and tarot readings for people? Here are some of the main reasons.

1. Our platform has a broad audience which includes theists and atheists. We are doing the readings for the theists.
2. Whether you take these readings seriously, or you are just doing them for kicks, you have to admit it's a fun way to spend your time.
3. Its a good way of being there for people in the community and providing comfort and support.
4. It's an awesome way to blaspheme against superstitious Christian beliefs and you all know how much I love to blaspheme.
5. It gets views on YouTube, which means we can create awareness for the ministry to a larger audience (so if anything, it's useful).
6. I spent many years studying astrology, so I may as well use my skills and knowledge to make friends, meet new people and entertain

Aww how sweet Mamba
Thank you for your answer but you know it's quite hypocrite from your side (no offense)

More on the self workship could be more helpful to people, don't you think?

Your mixing all in all with no clear structure or coherence you need to make up your mind and keep a line of thinking.
For the sake of your own credibility after all

Look at Don for instance. He is changing his beliefs every other week. He could be the best person in the world but we will never know as he behaves weird and this leads to suspicion and paranoia.

On the other hand, Cobra is a sneaky top con man but because he keeps a line of thinking, he gets more 'followers'.

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:01 am

Snakeway wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:53 am

AnonPoster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:33 am My question is harming innocents, let's say children, will have repercussions in this life or another? If yes, do we call this karma right?

On its own it does not have consequences or repercussions, only if the harmed innocent takes revenge or someone who cares take revenge.

So according to you there is no universal law or justice at work /behind the scene.
Just us versus us.
This wouldn't explain astrology (if you believe in it, I do for a fact), but thanks for your input

There is a genetic law of socializing among humans in the soul to want justice, this laws does not need to be written, the Justice system of a state works to enforce this laws which exists regardless of a state and a Judiciary system. If an injustice is committed to you it affects your soul and your mind, then your spiritual existence is harmed, so you need to make justice which is revenge to fix your soul problems. If injustice is enforced and perpetuated in society everyone gets sick in the soul and go mad, if people accept it by being programmed by christianity their soul gets weak and they die and can't find the path of reincarnation. Astrology only shows what is in the soul of a person, it does not take actions to make justice, if people are spiritually healthy they will take the correct actions and will try to enforce Justice, then you will see thing manifesting. In a world of christians and muslism and budist and atheist I don't know what is the extent of this effect, it could be close to zero or the genetic could still be speaking louder than the programming. If you have spiritual advancement you could commit all sorts of injustice and never end up being a target of a vengefull soul, because most souls are programmed and will never even find the path of reincarnation.