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Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:32 pm
by siatris
Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:45 am
siatris wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:43 am
Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:21 pm
They state in their own words that they are not Satanists. That they only use Satanism as a tool for their own ends. But they do have a religion and a God.
so what do these 09a idiots have to do with Satanism then and why u post about it here?
So you find opportunity to slander others of course.
Hi Siatris,
The intention of this thread was simple. I just wanted to spread awareness of the Order of Nine Angles. I've tried not to slander them or any other group or organization.
I try to be objective and unbiased. Perhaps I should not have interjected my personal emotions regarding National Socialism? I'll take fault for that.
The objective and unbiased data is that ONA uses Satanism and National Socialism in its corpus and views. Whether such Satanism and/or National Soclalism is "bad" or "evil" is a matter of personal opinion.
I also apologize for interjecting my personal opinions about the ONA's alleged association with child prostitution and child abuse. I should have just presented that data in an unbiased manner, so as to not look as though I am slandering the ONA or any organization.
Please note therefore that any and all moral judgments which I have made in this thread are my own non-authoritative personal opinions, and that they should be disregarded.
I will conduct myself more properly in future posts about ONA and present data about them in an objective and unbiased manner, so as not to be judgemental or slander anybody or any organizations.
Henrik ok, understand. but as u can see, 09A is in jail now rightfully so. Joy of Satan has been attacked with slander and allegations for over 20 years. mostly for no reason. i've been there for 11 years and i know many things. feel free to ask anything u want if you want conversation.
you are a decent place here and sorry for me flaring up to you.
Thanks
Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:34 pm
by siatris
Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:51 pm
The JoS used to use the ONA material for rituals back in the day Salem would post ONA content rituals and the ONA ideology of Temple 88 was spread around in the groups. The ONA was a combination of Lovecraft, Crowley and something out of Dennis Wheatley movie. I never took it seriously and most people don't. But this was part of the JoS using maxine's group to recruit people into her husbands NSM.
so why were you a high priest there for 15 years? because you were as stated a traitorous infiltrator with hostile intent. that's all.
get the fuck away...
Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:38 pm
by siatris
Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:27 pm
The main argument seems to be is Satan the angel of the Bible or some pre-Jewish god. The answer is the angel from the Bible because that is where this concept comes from. The Bible is also a magical system and the angels are archetypes of energy that can be summoned and connected with in Kabbalah magic. Even Satan in the Sanskrit is a formula of Sa-life-Ta-birth-Na-death so it ends in death. Maybe that is why the Hebrews might have used a possible Sanskrit word for such title for their archetype of the angel of death Ha Satan.
Now it's
possible hebrew of course because you can't handle 700 pages of information and proof on your worthless arguments. which you continue.
in every Sanskrit dictionary you're disproven.
also ill post for you Henrik a post by this person of his views that he supported for 15+ years until he was paid to slander the jos with fake lies and allegations.
\he wrote hundreds of pages on these things that he calls lies today because he betrayed his so called 'ministry' for some small arguments:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xf72p98cw1jy3 ... N.pdf?dl=1
Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:27 pm
by Don Danko
siatris wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:38 pmin every Sanskrit dictionary you're disproven.
Where specifically? Actual prove something of a source. Then prove that maxine was talking about someone other then her devil daddy from the Jewish Bible because that was her Satan and she never hid it. So that is one need of proof past a semantics' debate.
The works on Kundalini Yoga by Yogi Bhajan mention the formula of SaTaNaMa and how its used. It was Bhajan who was initiated into that mantra and it was Yogi Bhajan that stated Sa=birth Ta=Life Na=Death this is in public domain. Which leaves Satan or Satana the two ways its spelled within Satanic orders like the FS as ending in death and maybe that is why its a title for the Hebrew angel of death Azazel/Samael who's sigil is the planet Saturn the grim reaper.
Other then that your only argument is no one is allowed to change their mind on the JoS, because you said so. While you run a utube channel attacking the JoS which you admitted is your channel.
siatris wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:38 pmalso ill post for you Henrik a post by this person of his views that he supported for 15+ years until he was paid to slander the jos with fake lies and allegations.
Are you being paid to post 'slander" and 'lies' against the JoS on your utube channel Sitdarass. Maybe you're just here to earn brown nose points for nick and others in the JoS to then get close enough to their back when their not looking.
Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:36 pm
by Don Danko
That is close to maxine declaring Hitler the anti-Christ and claiming he is going to return with a fleet of UFO's to earth in the next two decades.
Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:01 pmEssentially, they have turned Hitler into a God and worship him. See the second link for details.
I was told that HP Willard got deep into the ONA material and ended up in jail. And that maxine never wanted to speak about him after and always played dumb on the issue which means she was covering something up. HP Willard was before my time in the JoS Clergy.
Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:01 pm
Everybody never took O9A/ONA seriously. Everybody underestimated ONA, even though many scholars warned the public about how dangerous ONA is years ago:
Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:14 pm
by Henrik Gustav II
Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:36 pm
That is close to maxine declaring Hitler the anti-Christ and claiming he is going to return with a fleet of UFO's to earth in the next two decades.
Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:01 pmEssentially, they have turned Hitler into a God and worship him. See the second link for details.
In ONA, Hitler is believed or taught to be returning as well. The ONA refers to Hitler's second coming persona as "Vindex." The ONA has an entire mythology or narrative called the "Vindex Mythos":
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/multip ... ageSize=4
Hitler, as Vindex, is akin to Kalki or Lord Mitreiya, who will return to the earth, and lead a bloody revolution to destroy the "Magian" (meaning Jews) governments of the world, and herald a New Aeon.
Instead of UFOs, in the ONA narrative and their Vindex Mythos, when Vindex comes to lead a revolution, Vindex and the ONA members will perform magical rituals to open a "nexion" (meaning a portal that connect the material universe with the acausal universe) in order to allow their "Dark Gods" (Lovecraftian Alien Gods/Beings) into the world to help destroy it.
Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:38 am
by siatris
Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:36 pm
That is close to maxine declaring Hitler the anti-Christ and claiming he is going to return with a fleet of UFO's to earth in the next two decades.
she never said that. not that way. she said there would be ET intervention in 20 year time.
u keep lying i'm just here to have fun with your lies
Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:39 am
by siatris
What's so wrong with jos beliefs then?
Nothing.
Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:14 pm
Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:36 pm
That is close to maxine declaring Hitler the anti-Christ and claiming he is going to return with a fleet of UFO's to earth in the next two decades.
Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:01 pmEssentially, they have turned Hitler into a God and worship him. See the second link for details.
In ONA, Hitler is believed or taught to be returning as well. The ONA refers to Hitler's second coming persona as "Vindex." The ONA has an entire mythology or narrative called the "Vindex Mythos":
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/multip ... ageSize=4
Hitler, as Vindex, is akin to Kalki or Lord Mitreiya, who will return to the earth, and lead a bloody revolution to destroy the "Magian" (meaning Jews) governments of the world, and herald a New Aeon.
Instead of UFOs, in the ONA narrative and their Vindex Mythos, when Vindex comes to lead a revolution, Vindex and the ONA members will perform magical rituals to open a "nexion" (meaning a portal that connect the material universe with the acausal universe) in order to allow their "Dark Gods" (Lovecraftian Alien Gods/Beings) into the world to help destroy it.
Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:34 am
by Henrik Gustav II
siatris wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:39 am
What's so wrong with jos beliefs then?
Nothing.
Henrik Gustav II wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:14 pm
Don Danko wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:36 pm
That is close to maxine declaring Hitler the anti-Christ and claiming he is going to return with a fleet of UFO's to earth in the next two decades.
In ONA, Hitler is believed or taught to be returning as well. The ONA refers to Hitler's second coming persona as "Vindex." The ONA has an entire mythology or narrative called the "Vindex Mythos":
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/multip ... ageSize=4
Hitler, as Vindex, is akin to Kalki or Lord Mitreiya, who will return to the earth, and lead a bloody revolution to destroy the "Magian" (meaning Jews) governments of the world, and herald a New Aeon.
Instead of UFOs, in the ONA narrative and their Vindex Mythos, when Vindex comes to lead a revolution, Vindex and the ONA members will perform magical rituals to open a "nexion" (meaning a portal that connect the material universe with the acausal universe) in order to allow their "Dark Gods" (Lovecraftian Alien Gods/Beings) into the world to help destroy it.
I don't know anything about JOS to make an opinion regarding whether its beliefs are "right" or "wrong." And: according to whose standard and definition of "right" and "wrong," or "acceptable" or "unacceptable."
Without slandering anyone or any group, my contention with the belief that Hitler will return, defies mortality. A dead human being, doesn't resurrect and come back from the dead. Hitler, as far as we can tell, was a mortal human being, like the rest of us. He was born, and he died.
Re: The Order of Nine Angles
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:54 am
by HPBlackMamba
History shows us that Hitler was a tyrant, and Satanism is against tyranny. When glancing at the Satanic Thule Society's website, it is not immediately obvious that they are Nazis. Then you find their link on the ONA website and it becomes clear that STS is merely using Satanism as an engine to further a political agenda.
The Joy of Satan is an extremist group and Siatris is obviously a Nazi extremist. He keeps trying to invade the privacy of the clergy and members then threatens to leak personal documents on the internet in an attempt to terrorize us. We are not terrorized, his threats and attacks just strengthens our resolve. We are true Satanists that refuse to be intimidated or silenced and this frustrates him.
Regarding the claims that Don and Zola are Jewish and all of the other false accusations... well, we have already debunked his lies.