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Posted: **Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:07 pm**

The Gods are not with the people in this organization. That is one agreed upon thing from several Satanic Sects where most stuff is not agreed upon. So yeah they will barley come.

Posted: **Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:51 am**

Velcro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:55 pm
Snakeway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:39 pm
Velcro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:10 pm
The official stance is that Beelzebut will punish any Satanist cursing eachother or nullifies the curses sort of. Again, this is Jos official stance.

Also Maxine said that all the witches/wizzards and other magic practitioners independent or affiliated to other places - are under Satan's protection.
Then try to curse hooded cobra or lydia or anyone there. He doesn't appear or interrupt it
I believe you they won't stop it unless is seriously a life a death situation or because they can't oversee everything and everyone at once. Whatever the reason I just said what the Jos is officality stating.

As for myself, I never cursed any Satanist and I won't. I sent it back and that's it. End of story.

Others however from jos and independent did cursed me before. I remember when you were posting some videos in the political forum with the 'microwave weapon'

Weeks before seeing your post I had a humming in an ear when I wake up. General lethargy and panic attacks ...more or less most symptoms presented in those videos ...I wasn't meditating for some time so I was wirh the guard down. I took action get back on the track and saved myself.

viewtopic.php?t=263

On other occasions long before that years back Cobra and Lydia cursed me this is what I felt. They like knives and swords astral ones to stab you in your plexus and heart. To be honest with you when this happened I didn't even know how the hell is possible I never had props. I thought that is unnecessary because Maxine said the power of the mind is more than enough. However I did my homework and learned after long reflection what they did.

However I will never curse them. This is up to Satan to decide. I just share my truth and what happened for others to be careful and prepared and that's it.

Personally when you say:
"However I will never curse them. This is up to Satan to decide. I just share my truth and what happened for others to be careful and prepared and that's it."

i find that statement to be somewhat contradictory to this other one you said:

Velcro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:09 pm The GODS needs us in this WAR. By becoming co-dependant and forever needy, we won't learn anything. We will stay forever babies and they needs us, as well!

You left it up to Satan to decide, that's the difference between being dependent and independent in your judgement,
I personally, if i know for certain that someone is spiritually attacking me, and i have evidence of it, i wouldn't hesitate to defend myself spiritually or attack them back spiritually.
it's the instinct of defending myself, you also said that Gods need 'us' in this war, in war, hesitation can be the difference between life and death, if you don't have killer instinct and you often hesitate are you really prepared for war?
How well do you know Satan as a being? how well do you know his ideals? how well do you know what 'his' idea of justice is?
I would assume to you know him well, as you said you trust Satan.

Velcro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:45 pm I trust them and their judgement but at the same time I look after myself and try not to harm others from vanity or a brick of the moment/impulsiveness. I take my power with responsibility.

but the thing is, you have your own brain, you have the ability to make your own judgement of what is necessary and what is not, in the moment when it's do or die, you'll need to make your judgement and take responsibility for your actions, sometimes in life there are no 'right' answers, well perhaps i should say, sometimes there are no 'easy' answers, i've had to make hard decisions in my life before, and i have no regrets I made my choices and went through with it, and i took responsibility of what came after.

I told that anon poster before that i don't consider myself a Satanist, despite having a lot of interaction with spirits that say they're of Satan, and other Satanists, as well as studying a lot of Satanic material.
the reason why i don't consider myself a Satanist, is because i simply don't know Satan enough to fight for his cause, i fight for my own cause and ideals,
perhaps if i came to knew Satan and learn more about him on a personal level, if i agree with his ideals and his cause i may consider myself a Satanist.

Another thing, despite what i said, i'm somewhat glad you didn't curse cobra or lydia, and that's because i know that a lot of people make assumptions of being attacked by certain people when in reality they're being deceived, personally the attack you described i honestly don't think cobra or lydia is at a level do that.

People who're said to posses great power, there words are said to 'become flesh', or become law, in other words they manifest what they say, and as a result those people with power were often didn't speak much and were very mindful of what they say.
Look at someone like cobra for example, when he is questioned or doubted he gets very defensive and toxic, and spews out all sorts of insults at the individual.
Does that seem like an advanced individual to you? to me he seems quite weak.

Also despite not being a JOS, i have read a lot of their material and there are things Maxine said that i do agree with, as it makes sense to me,
one thing being:
"People do things to and against other people in life, because they know they can get away with it. Much of this is due to humanity as a whole residing on a very low level of spirituality, due to knowledge being forcibly removed and destroyed by the Christian Churches. There is rarely any serious justice and most people are indoctrinated to endure all kinds of injustices and abuse. This is in line with establishing a world-wide slave state, as slaves must tolerate injustice. If everyone were spiritually empowered, there would be a lot more thoughtfulness and consideration for and how we interact with others. Society and the human race as a whole would evolve to a higher level.

There are natural laws. One of them is a species or individual for that matter, who is unable to fight back and defend him/herself against others who seriously intend harm will either be enslaved by the aggressor or will cease to exist. Many species of plants and animals become extinct because they are unable to defend themselves. Our bodies are fighting continuously against invaders in the form of bacteria, viruses, and germs. If our cells stopped fighting and killing harmful invaders, we would quickly become sick and die. This is a fact of life and is a natural law.

Ethics and a certain code of conduct is necessary for civilization to continue and individual self-control is also very important. Sometimes someone is having a bad day or things are said or done many times, unintentionally. However, if someone is seriously out to harm you or deprive you of justice, you have an obligation to fight back. Satanists are not victims."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfir ... AGICK.html

I also want to add, people say that if someone is in life threatening incidents or if death is involved the gods will intervene, i have found this to not always be true, as I've heard stories from other SS of cases were another SS died, some ruining their lives to the point of death, and suicides etc.
of course you'll never really hear of any of this on the JOS forums, because of the atrocious censorship there, I've also read a post about someone being human trafficked, obviously you won't ever hear about the people who don't make it out.
I also recall reading about this post about GitM:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.ph ... 22#p292222
apparently a suicide was involved, assuming you even trust anything sly says.

I have also noticed that some people actually do manage to escape life threatening situations and when they do, they post about it in the forums and say how they were 'saved', maybe that's why people have the strange conception that if it's life threatening or something that the gods will intervene.
But also remember that xians do this too, and when they manage to escape a life threatening situation they claim that god/jesus saved them .
The reality is, most of these people were simply lucky or were not fated to die at that time and lived a result.
Not saying that Satan and the gods don't intervene at all, i'm just saying that there have been SS that have died and had their lived completely ruined.

Posted: **Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:45 am**

Edrix wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:51 am
Velcro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:55 pm
Snakeway wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:39 pm

Then try to curse hooded cobra or lydia or anyone there. He doesn't appear or interrupt it
I believe you they won't stop it unless is seriously a life a death situation or because they can't oversee everything and everyone at once. Whatever the reason I just said what the Jos is officality stating.

As for myself, I never cursed any Satanist and I won't. I sent it back and that's it. End of story.

Others however from jos and independent did cursed me before. I remember when you were posting some videos in the political forum with the 'microwave weapon'

Weeks before seeing your post I had a humming in an ear when I wake up. General lethargy and panic attacks ...more or less most symptoms presented in those videos ...I wasn't meditating for some time so I was wirh the guard down. I took action get back on the track and saved myself.

viewtopic.php?t=263

On other occasions long before that years back Cobra and Lydia cursed me this is what I felt. They like knives and swords astral ones to stab you in your plexus and heart. To be honest with you when this happened I didn't even know how the hell is possible I never had props. I thought that is unnecessary because Maxine said the power of the mind is more than enough. However I did my homework and learned after long reflection what they did.

However I will never curse them. This is up to Satan to decide. I just share my truth and what happened for others to be careful and prepared and that's it.
Personally when you say:
"However I will never curse them. This is up to Satan to decide. I just share my truth and what happened for others to be careful and prepared and that's it."

i find that statement to be somewhat contradictory to this other one you said:
Velcro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:09 pm The GODS needs us in this WAR. By becoming co-dependant and forever needy, we won't learn anything. We will stay forever babies and they needs us, as well!
You left it up to Satan to decide, that's the difference between being dependent and independent in your judgement,
I personally, if i know for certain that someone is spiritually attacking me, and i have evidence of it, i wouldn't hesitate to defend myself spiritually or attack them back spiritually.
it's the instinct of defending myself, you also said that Gods need 'us' in this war, in war, hesitation can be the difference between life and death, if you don't have killer instinct and you often hesitate are you really prepared for war?
How well do you know Satan as a being? how well do you know his ideals? how well do you know what 'his' idea of justice is?
I would assume to you know him well, as you said you trust Satan.
Velcro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:45 pm I trust them and their judgement but at the same time I look after myself and try not to harm others from vanity or a brick of the moment/impulsiveness. I take my power with responsibility.
but the thing is, you have your own brain, you have the ability to make your own judgement of what is necessary and what is not, in the moment when it's do or die, you'll need to make your judgement and take responsibility for your actions, sometimes in life there are no 'right' answers, well perhaps i should say, sometimes there are no 'easy' answers, i've had to make hard decisions in my life before, and i have no regrets I made my choices and went through with it, and i took responsibility of what came after.

I told that anon poster before that i don't consider myself a Satanist, despite having a lot of interaction with spirits that say they're of Satan, and other Satanists, as well as studying a lot of Satanic material.
the reason why i don't consider myself a Satanist, is because i simply don't know Satan enough to fight for his cause, i fight for my own cause and ideals,
perhaps if i came to knew Satan and learn more about him on a personal level, if i agree with his ideals and his cause i may consider myself a Satanist.

Another thing, despite what i said, i'm somewhat glad you didn't curse cobra or lydia, and that's because i know that a lot of people make assumptions of being attacked by certain people when in reality they're being deceived, personally the attack you described i honestly don't think cobra or lydia is at a level do that.

People who're said to posses great power, there words are said to 'become flesh', or become law, in other words they manifest what they say, and as a result those people with power were often didn't speak much and were very mindful of what they say.
Look at someone like cobra for example, when he is questioned or doubted he gets very defensive and toxic, and spews out all sorts of insults at the individual.
Does that seem like an advanced individual to you? to me he seems quite weak.

Also despite not being a JOS, i have read a lot of their material and there are things Maxine said that i do agree with, as it makes sense to me,
one thing being:
"People do things to and against other people in life, because they know they can get away with it. Much of this is due to humanity as a whole residing on a very low level of spirituality, due to knowledge being forcibly removed and destroyed by the Christian Churches. There is rarely any serious justice and most people are indoctrinated to endure all kinds of injustices and abuse. This is in line with establishing a world-wide slave state, as slaves must tolerate injustice. If everyone were spiritually empowered, there would be a lot more thoughtfulness and consideration for and how we interact with others. Society and the human race as a whole would evolve to a higher level.

There are natural laws. One of them is a species or individual for that matter, who is unable to fight back and defend him/herself against others who seriously intend harm will either be enslaved by the aggressor or will cease to exist. Many species of plants and animals become extinct because they are unable to defend themselves. Our bodies are fighting continuously against invaders in the form of bacteria, viruses, and germs. If our cells stopped fighting and killing harmful invaders, we would quickly become sick and die. This is a fact of life and is a natural law.

Ethics and a certain code of conduct is necessary for civilization to continue and individual self-control is also very important. Sometimes someone is having a bad day or things are said or done many times, unintentionally. However, if someone is seriously out to harm you or deprive you of justice, you have an obligation to fight back. Satanists are not victims."
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfir ... AGICK.html

I also want to add, people say that if someone is in life threatening incidents or if death is involved the gods will intervene, i have found this to not always be true, as I've heard stories from other SS of cases were another SS died, some ruining their lives to the point of death, and suicides etc.
of course you'll never really hear of any of this on the JOS forums, because of the atrocious censorship there, I've also read a post about someone being human trafficked, obviously you won't ever hear about the people who don't make it out.
I also recall reading about this post about GitM:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.ph ... 22#p292222
apparently a suicide was involved, assuming you even trust anything sly says.

I have also noticed that some people actually do manage to escape life threatening situations and when they do, they post about it in the forums and say how they were 'saved', maybe that's why people have the strange conception that if it's life threatening or something that the gods will intervene.
But also remember that xians do this too, and when they manage to escape a life threatening situation they claim that god/jesus saved them .
The reality is, most of these people were simply lucky or were not fated to die at that time and lived a result.
Not saying that Satan and the gods don't intervene at all, i'm just saying that there have been SS that have died and had their lived completely ruined.

Hey thank you for the comment.

The best attack is defence. I remove and send back the curses generally. I dont need to think about it. If Satan considers my offenders worth much worse is up to him. I say this when it comes to brothers and sisters in Satan.
My personal life goes slightly different I am builder I build people.
I put boundaries. Respect aka boundaries is imposed never earned. I know people think the other way around which is stupid. You will never get what you deserve if you are waiting for it. My friends know what to expect if they will ever do something intentionally bad to me. I also needs others to forgive my shit, so I also forgive where is the case. However, I don't abuse and I am not allowing abuse.

Cobra is spiritually strong. Many people underestimate his power. I am not talking about his power of character or other things. He is spiritually talented, multitalented powers. Only another person I know who is inherently far beyond that. I am not saying this to scare people off. I am saying all of this so people don't underestimate him.

People come to Satan and confuse him with Jesus who watches over them strictly 24a day and grant personal wishes and favoures. Whatever cases you heard on Jos some might be real and based on karma, some might be based on FREE WILL AND STUBBORNESS OF PEOPLE as an example how many PEOPLE know is bad to smoke, take drugs hung with the wrong people. All of them. However some are INSISTING on doing shit hoping that Satan will save their asses if the shit hits the fan. This is ARRONGANT from their side. As a parent I would boil.

So where was I? Karma, free will, people insisting to be stupid, jewish and gipsy members, fabricated posts and stories to make people afraid or lose trust in Satan, etc

Satan is a person with great power but not omnipotent omnipresent and most of the time his view is not as many would cry based on their subjective angle. Like Snakeway hating Maxine. Maxine did a good thing. Introduced many to him. Exposed jews. She also did a lot of shit. If she had an agenda all along I Don't know. But for the good that she did I can appreciate her. So I guess Satan can appreciate it too and see the benefits of keeping her alive for others to find him instead of killing her because she offended let's say Snakeway. Its a way you can look at things. So when Cobra attacked me I understood that Satan needs him. On the other hand Cobra always abuses this shit. He does a lot of Satan agenda and a lot of shit to people hoping that after all the good the shit will be forgiven in Satan's eyes. I don't know how-to explain this better. I hope I make some sense.

Now with all due respect I am sorry if I did not answered to other things, I simply need to stop here. Thank you once again for your reply and time.

Posted: **Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:40 pm**

Velcro wrote: ↑Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:23 pm
AnonPoster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:04 pm
Snakeway wrote: ↑Fri Jan 07, 2022 4:59 pm Why is this organization so important to you?
Well they made themselves an enemy of Satan. So yeah. There you go. It's all about money. You guys are going to get scammed and taught lies. You realize how bad this will make Satanism look if people are commiting scams in the name of Satan and teach Marxist Social Justice values in place of self empowering
I agree with you on the clergy here disrespecting Satan and Demons but JOS is doing the exact same thing

The difference between t4s and jos is that t4s goes open about not giving a shit so they are honest while Cobra hides under Demons command to scam you and destroy your life.

Another considerable difference is that here you can express your opinions. Freely. You can criticize them while Cobra expects only submission and not questioning.

Your real reason for hating this place is the freedom of expression and the fact that people from all walks of life can and will shake the belief in Cobra. End of story.

May I ask you a question why Myla left? Where are the rest of the HP from jos?

If that place is about elevation of people and advancing on all areas why is only Cobra there the one and only and why all of the rest left to the last one including Shannon?

You dont like questions. You dont need a brain to destroy and curse. It's harder to build a life you can be proud of. Cursing people to death is the easiest thing. Just a waste of time and energy to what aim? If Satan hates this place it's up to him, not you to decide.

As far as I see, Satan and Demons are allowing everybody to do whatever the fuck they want. They allow Don to "betray" after 18 years. They allow Cobra to steal you shekels. They allowed Zola to come against them. The allow you to curse people mindlessly. They allow me to write this shit. Do you get my point? If Satan is indifferent to all of this why would you care more? Care about the practices and concepts you are engaging yourself and influencing others into. It's better this way. Go inward.

That's because Satan is about self empowerment and independence. Freedom of thought. We are supposed to defend ourselves that's what Satan was about. Unfortunately people look to Satan and demons like they are supposed to be "gods" protecting their followers or whatever.

Posted: **Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:21 pm**

Seeker83 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:40 pm

That's because Satan is about self empowerment and independence. Freedom of thought. We are supposed to defend ourselves that's what Satan was about. Unfortunately people look to Satan and demons like they are supposed to be "gods" protecting their followers or whatever.

What about socialization? Do you get along with people who bless those who curse you? I don't. How do you get along with the Gods if they bless those who curse you? If they don't enforce Justice they are putting a social wall against you forever, they are saying they never wanted anything to do with you

Posted: **Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:37 pm**

Velcro wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:45 am

The best attack is defence. I remove and send back the curses generally. I dont need to think about it. If Satan considers my offenders worth much worse is up to him. I say this when it comes to brothers and sisters in Satan.

You should get infuriated ,because the only thing that stops the person who cursed you from killing you, taking things away from you or destroying your life is the capability, they are just not strong enough but the intention to do perverse things to you is there, and if they were strong enough to kill you they would. This is unforgivable, and you should want to completly eliminate the threat mercyless.

Posted: **Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:28 pm**

Snakeway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:37 pm
Velcro wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:45 am

The best attack is defence. I remove and send back the curses generally. I dont need to think about it. If Satan considers my offenders worth much worse is up to him. I say this when it comes to brothers and sisters in Satan.

You should get infuriated ,because the only thing that stops the person who cursed you from killing you, taking things away from you or destroying your life is the capability, they are just not strong enough but the intention to do perverse things to you is there, and if they were strong enough to kill you they would. This is unforgivable, and you should want to completly eliminate the threat mercyless.

I know what you mean...thank you for you kindness.

I will address this to Satan if I will get the chance.
Thank you for your considerations.

Posted: **Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:19 pm**

Snakeway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:21 pm
Seeker83 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:40 pm

That's because Satan is about self empowerment and independence. Freedom of thought. We are supposed to defend ourselves that's what Satan was about. Unfortunately people look to Satan and demons like they are supposed to be "gods" protecting their followers or whatever.
What about socialization? Do you get along with people who bless those who curse you? I don't. How do you get along with the Gods if they bless those who curse you? If they don't enforce Justice they are putting a social wall against you forever, they are saying they never wanted anything to do with you

This is a not a god problem. This is a human problem and it's often they put each other on a pedestal.

Posted: **Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:21 pm**

Seeker83 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:19 pm
Snakeway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:21 pm
Seeker83 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:40 pm

That's because Satan is about self empowerment and independence. Freedom of thought. We are supposed to defend ourselves that's what Satan was about. Unfortunately people look to Satan and demons like they are supposed to be "gods" protecting their followers or whatever.
What about socialization? Do you get along with people who bless those who curse you? I don't. How do you get along with the Gods if they bless those who curse you? If they don't enforce Justice they are putting a social wall against you forever, they are saying they never wanted anything to do with you
This is a not a god problem. This is a human problem and it's often they put each other on a pedestal.

Are you saying the Gods don't have human emotions? That they are some ET that are different than Humans?

Posted: **Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:22 pm**

Velcro wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:28 pm
Snakeway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:37 pm
Velcro wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:45 am

The best attack is defence. I remove and send back the curses generally. I dont need to think about it. If Satan considers my offenders worth much worse is up to him. I say this when it comes to brothers and sisters in Satan.

You should get infuriated ,because the only thing that stops the person who cursed you from killing you, taking things away from you or destroying your life is the capability, they are just not strong enough but the intention to do perverse things to you is there, and if they were strong enough to kill you they would. This is unforgivable, and you should want to completly eliminate the threat mercyless.
I know what you mean...thank you for you kindness.

I will address this to Satan if I will get the chance.
Thank you for your considerations.

Let me know how he addresses it. Pm me if needed

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