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I'm finding it really pointless to engage in T4S vs JoS. I'm not leaving the forum I'm just going to lay low. Personally I find it unproductive in the long run constantly focused on negativity. What people don't realize, no matter which group you are in , focusing on negativity that IS NOT RELATED TO YOU PERSONALLY is pointless including those who get offended over disagreeing views.

We are individuals, you can not force us all to be the same, so arguing over who is right or wrong is pointless because one may be truth to you and a lie to another but this is based on individual personal development. The Us vs Them mentality is a constant state of conflict rather than working together as complimentary to achieve a common goal. Why can it be like this rather than someone trying to rule over somebody else and anyone who is different is against you? Yes individual goals can be fitted into the big picture because one is designed to be a social creature but because we are different we require some alone downtime to gather our thoughts. You cant erase ones personality.

I'm finding myself in the Us vs Them and the focus is CONSTANTLY on JoS and bad they are etc. Guys we need to get out of this cycle of negativity and move forward. Need to be different and be better than them. We each need to have collective goals as pertaining to T4S as an organization and individual goals. I'm willing to put some effort in this direction but I'm sick and tired of the constant focus of negativity on JoS. From here on out, I'm withdrawing my presence to gather my energies, creativity in hopes to kick start this place into more positivity and productivity. This is really important because creativity, productivity and positivity gives people a voice and get in touch with their inner self and maybe discover their divine purpose. And it can cause expansion.

Debating isn't the Same as fighting. Fighting is ridiculing people and insist they are right while throwing insults to person who disagrees and well trolling can be included in this category for fighting because they are bored and feed off negativity and drama.

When enough people decide they want to shift the focus it'll happen. I can't make people do this.
This place is for satanism and free thought. But its also as I've said before, a place for people decompressing from the cult that is the jos and they have a need to talk about their experiences. Which means you're going to see jos hate here. You can't just turn that off. People need space to find their own way.
Would I like to see more posts on the T4S that are about Satanism and Spirituality? Of course! But everybody has their own timeframe.

HPSZolaLuckyStar wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:09 pm When enough people decide they want to shift the focus it'll happen. I can't make people do this.
This place is for satanism and free thought. But its also as I've said before, a place for people decompressing from the cult that is the jos and they have a need to talk about their experiences. Which means you're going to see jos hate here. You can't just turn that off. People need space to find their own way.
Would I like to see more posts on the T4S that are about Satanism and Spirituality? Of course! But everybody has their own timeframe.

Quite right. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing. Just sick of the trolls, and the T4S vs JoS crap. Gonna wait to post a bit again.

Will return soon.

I understand. I hear you.

Ipsissimus83 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:21 pm I'm finding it really pointless to engage in T4S vs JoS. I'm not leaving the forum I'm just going to lay low. As HPOwen stated that he doesn't want this forum to be T4S vs JoS. Personally I find it unproductive in the long run constantly focused on negativity. What people don't realize, no matter which group you are in , focusing on negativity that IS NOT RELATED TO YOU PERSONALLY is pointless including those who get offended over disagreeing views.

We are individuals, you can not force us all to be the same, so arguing over who is right or wrong is pointless because one may be truth to you and a lie to another but this is based on individual personal development. The Us vs Them mentality is a constant state of conflict rather than working together as complimentary to achieve a common goal. Why can it be like this rather than someone trying to rule over somebody else and anyone who is different is against you? Yes individual goals can be fitted into the big picture because one is designed to be a social creature but because we are different we require some alone downtime to gather our thoughts. You cant erase ones personality.

I'm finding myself in the Us vs Them and the focus is CONSTANTLY on JoS and bad they are etc. Guys we need to get out of this cycle of negativity and move forward. Need to be different and be better than them. We each need to have collective goals as pertaining to T4S as an organization and individual goals. I'm willing to put some effort in this direction but I'm sick and tired of the constant focus of negativity on JoS. From here on out, I'm withdrawing my presence to gather my energies, creativity in hopes to kick start this place into more positivity and productivity. This is really important because creativity, productivity and positivity gives people a voice and get in touch with their inner self and maybe discover their divine purpose. And it can cause expansion.

Well i for one like a good bit of negativity, some negativity is required to say healthy.

"focusing on negativity that IS NOT RELATED TO YOU PERSONALLY is pointless"
really? how is it pointless?

"We are individuals, you can not force us all to be the same, "
Who's forcing you to be the same others?

"so arguing over who is right or wrong is pointless because one may be truth to you and a lie to another but this is based on individual personal development."
There are some truths that apply individually, some that apply to everyone and some that apply to certain groups of people.



People are individuals and have their own nature, but people are also sociable creatures and they're part of towns/cities, which are parts of a nation, and those nations are part of the world.

The same way social animals in the wild like lions form prides and wolves form packs etc.


"The Us vs Them mentality is a constant state of conflict rather than working together as complimentary to achieve a common goal."

"I'm finding myself in the Us vs Them and the focus is CONSTANTLY on JoS and bad they are etc. Guys we need to get out of this cycle of negativity and move forward. "
lol, rules of nature


But on a serious note, conflict is part of nature, it's an inevitability.
Have you ever heard the latin phrase, "Sī vīs pācem, parā bellum"(If you want peace, prepare for war).
Freedom isn't free, if you want, you need to fight for it.

Animals need to sustain themselves, even herbivores kill flora to sustain themselves and there are carnivores that need to kill fauna to sustain themselves.
We're all part of nature, and we abide by it's laws, conflict is always going to be an inevitability as creatures evolve and being stronger those who can't adapt to their environment eventually succumb to it like the many species have went extinct in the past.
This 'truth' applies to us all.

You are aware that this place is created by Zola? the jos considers Zola to be a jew, and their enemy, they also consider this place to be their enemy's place.
They will do what is natural and attack this place, tucking your tail and walking away from it completely seems natural to you?
No one should have to take abuse or put up with it, when it comes to freedom those who value it, fight for their freedom.

I'm not saying that wanting to take a break is wrong, but turning away from it completely is just being a quitter.
There's only so much a single person can handle, that's why people form groups with similar goals, as they're stronger together, and this was the point i made in my previous thread.

BirdofFreedom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:17 pm

Ipsissimus83 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:21 pm I'm finding it really pointless to engage in T4S vs JoS. I'm not leaving the forum I'm just going to lay low. As HPOwen stated that he doesn't want this forum to be T4S vs JoS. Personally I find it unproductive in the long run constantly focused on negativity. What people don't realize, no matter which group you are in , focusing on negativity that IS NOT RELATED TO YOU PERSONALLY is pointless including those who get offended over disagreeing views.

We are individuals, you can not force us all to be the same, so arguing over who is right or wrong is pointless because one may be truth to you and a lie to another but this is based on individual personal development. The Us vs Them mentality is a constant state of conflict rather than working together as complimentary to achieve a common goal. Why can it be like this rather than someone trying to rule over somebody else and anyone who is different is against you? Yes individual goals can be fitted into the big picture because one is designed to be a social creature but because we are different we require some alone downtime to gather our thoughts. You cant erase ones personality.

I'm finding myself in the Us vs Them and the focus is CONSTANTLY on JoS and bad they are etc. Guys we need to get out of this cycle of negativity and move forward. Need to be different and be better than them. We each need to have collective goals as pertaining to T4S as an organization and individual goals. I'm willing to put some effort in this direction but I'm sick and tired of the constant focus of negativity on JoS. From here on out, I'm withdrawing my presence to gather my energies, creativity in hopes to kick start this place into more positivity and productivity. This is really important because creativity, productivity and positivity gives people a voice and get in touch with their inner self and maybe discover their divine purpose. And it can cause expansion.

Well i for one like a good bit of negativity, some negativity is required to say healthy.

"focusing on negativity that IS NOT RELATED TO YOU PERSONALLY is pointless"
really? how is it pointless?

"We are individuals, you can not force us all to be the same, "
Who's forcing you to be the same others?

"so arguing over who is right or wrong is pointless because one may be truth to you and a lie to another but this is based on individual personal development."
There are some truths that apply individually, some that apply to everyone and some that apply to certain groups of people.



People are individuals and have their own nature, but people are also sociable creatures and they're part of towns/cities, which are parts of a nation, and those nations are part of the world.

The same way social animals in the wild like lions form prides and wolves form packs etc.


"The Us vs Them mentality is a constant state of conflict rather than working together as complimentary to achieve a common goal."

"I'm finding myself in the Us vs Them and the focus is CONSTANTLY on JoS and bad they are etc. Guys we need to get out of this cycle of negativity and move forward. "
lol, rules of nature


But on a serious note, conflict is part of nature, it's an inevitability.
Have you ever heard the latin phrase, "Sī vīs pācem, parā bellum"(If you want peace, prepare for war).
Freedom isn't free, if you want, you need to fight for it.

Animals need to sustain themselves, even herbivores kill flora to sustain themselves and there are carnivores that need to kill fauna to sustain themselves.
We're all part of nature, and we abide by it's laws, conflict is always going to be an inevitability as creatures evolve and being stronger those who can't adapt to their environment eventually succumb to it like the many species have went extinct in the past.
This 'truth' applies to us all.

You are aware that this place is created by Zola? the jos considers Zola to be a jew, and their enemy, they also consider this place to be their enemy's place.
They will do what is natural and attack this place, tucking your tail and walking away from it completely seems natural to you?
No one should have to take abuse or put up with it, when it comes to freedom those who value it, fight for their freedom.

I'm not saying that wanting to take a break is wrong, but turning away from it completely is just being a quitter.
There's only so much a single person can handle, that's why people form groups with similar goals, as they're stronger together, and this was the point i made in my previous thread.

This probably will be my last response for a while. If you want to engage in negativity go ahead that's your choice I personally do not care to engage in others when it comes to fighting who is right or wrong. Because as long you choose to stay in someone's territory you will either be removed or welcomed, depending on the person. Nature doesn't fight over ideas or religion they stay within their own territory or usually keep to themselves or hunt based on predatory instinct for food or attacked. so it's bizarre to try and compare Nature to arguing points of views which apparently has nothing to do with survival instincts but perhaps flips out when the ego is attacked which is a thing created based on other people's opinions and ideas.

Basically you missed my point of the post. Staying in a constant state of negativity will keep you stuck there, like a pack of animals must travel or move somewhere else when seasons change for survival, and productivity or whatever it is the pack or herds do or just go in hibernation. Lol. We aren't meant to be static or stay in one "place." Change is a law of nature. One day T4S will change, just like JoS changed over the years it went from good to ridiculous. What goes up must come down. Compared to a pendulum swinging.

So you do you. For me it's pointless in fighting over meaningless crap I guess the pendulum is swinging the other direction for me.

So good luck to you Birdoffreedom. I will return when there is change at some point.

Ipsissimus83 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:31 am

BirdofFreedom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:17 pm

Ipsissimus83 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:21 pm I'm finding it really pointless to engage in T4S vs JoS. I'm not leaving the forum I'm just going to lay low. As HPOwen stated that he doesn't want this forum to be T4S vs JoS. Personally I find it unproductive in the long run constantly focused on negativity. What people don't realize, no matter which group you are in , focusing on negativity that IS NOT RELATED TO YOU PERSONALLY is pointless including those who get offended over disagreeing views.

We are individuals, you can not force us all to be the same, so arguing over who is right or wrong is pointless because one may be truth to you and a lie to another but this is based on individual personal development. The Us vs Them mentality is a constant state of conflict rather than working together as complimentary to achieve a common goal. Why can it be like this rather than someone trying to rule over somebody else and anyone who is different is against you? Yes individual goals can be fitted into the big picture because one is designed to be a social creature but because we are different we require some alone downtime to gather our thoughts. You cant erase ones personality.

I'm finding myself in the Us vs Them and the focus is CONSTANTLY on JoS and bad they are etc. Guys we need to get out of this cycle of negativity and move forward. Need to be different and be better than them. We each need to have collective goals as pertaining to T4S as an organization and individual goals. I'm willing to put some effort in this direction but I'm sick and tired of the constant focus of negativity on JoS. From here on out, I'm withdrawing my presence to gather my energies, creativity in hopes to kick start this place into more positivity and productivity. This is really important because creativity, productivity and positivity gives people a voice and get in touch with their inner self and maybe discover their divine purpose. And it can cause expansion.

Well i for one like a good bit of negativity, some negativity is required to say healthy.

"focusing on negativity that IS NOT RELATED TO YOU PERSONALLY is pointless"
really? how is it pointless?

"We are individuals, you can not force us all to be the same, "
Who's forcing you to be the same others?

"so arguing over who is right or wrong is pointless because one may be truth to you and a lie to another but this is based on individual personal development."
There are some truths that apply individually, some that apply to everyone and some that apply to certain groups of people.



People are individuals and have their own nature, but people are also sociable creatures and they're part of towns/cities, which are parts of a nation, and those nations are part of the world.

The same way social animals in the wild like lions form prides and wolves form packs etc.


"The Us vs Them mentality is a constant state of conflict rather than working together as complimentary to achieve a common goal."

"I'm finding myself in the Us vs Them and the focus is CONSTANTLY on JoS and bad they are etc. Guys we need to get out of this cycle of negativity and move forward. "
lol, rules of nature


But on a serious note, conflict is part of nature, it's an inevitability.
Have you ever heard the latin phrase, "Sī vīs pācem, parā bellum"(If you want peace, prepare for war).
Freedom isn't free, if you want, you need to fight for it.

Animals need to sustain themselves, even herbivores kill flora to sustain themselves and there are carnivores that need to kill fauna to sustain themselves.
We're all part of nature, and we abide by it's laws, conflict is always going to be an inevitability as creatures evolve and being stronger those who can't adapt to their environment eventually succumb to it like the many species have went extinct in the past.
This 'truth' applies to us all.

You are aware that this place is created by Zola? the jos considers Zola to be a jew, and their enemy, they also consider this place to be their enemy's place.
They will do what is natural and attack this place, tucking your tail and walking away from it completely seems natural to you?
No one should have to take abuse or put up with it, when it comes to freedom those who value it, fight for their freedom.

I'm not saying that wanting to take a break is wrong, but turning away from it completely is just being a quitter.
There's only so much a single person can handle, that's why people form groups with similar goals, as they're stronger together, and this was the point i made in my previous thread.

This probably will be my last response for a while. If you want to engage in negativity go ahead that's your choice I personally do not care to engage in others when it comes to fighting who is right or wrong. Because as long you choose to stay in someone's territory you will either be removed or welcomed, depending on the person. Nature doesn't fight over ideas or religion they stay within their own territory or usually keep to themselves or hunt based on predatory instinct for food or attacked. so it's bizarre to try and compare Nature to arguing points of views which apparently has nothing to do with survival instincts but perhaps flips out when the ego is attacked which is a thing created based on other people's opinions and ideas.

Basically you missed my point of the post. Staying in a constant state of negativity will keep you stuck there, like a pack of animals must travel or move somewhere else when seasons change for survival, and productivity or whatever it is the pack or herds do or just go in hibernation. Lol. We aren't meant to be static or stay in one "place." Change is a law of nature. One day T4S will change, just like JoS changed over the years it went from good to ridiculous. What goes up must come down. Compared to a pendulum swinging.

So you do you. For me it's pointless in fighting over meaningless crap I guess the pendulum is swinging the other direction for me.

So good luck to you Birdoffreedom. I will return when there is change at some point.

I said i do like a good bit of negativity now and then, but i don't really consider the happenings on the forum here to really be that negative, at least for me.

Nor do i really consider the debates/agruments here to really be fighting.

"Nature doesn't fight over ideas or religion they stay within their own territory or usually keep to themselves or hunt based on predatory instinct for food or attacked."
'Nature' as a whole?
Fighting over ideals and religion is within our nature however, it has happened throughout history.
chirstianity and islam is well known for this as they waged jihads and forced people to convert at the end of a sword.

That 'nature' is the nature we live in.

Also nature in the wild is much more complex than you make it out to be, it's not always just about food.
like those 'territories' you mentioned, animals fight to defend their area and also claim new area for their survival, it's very competitive out there.
Some animals even kill their own, like lions when they take over new territory tend to kill the cubs of the previous pride, to claim the lionesses as their own.

Lions and Hyenas for example are known to have rivalries.


And orcas for example are known to be quite sadistic:


There are even parasitic wasps and as it's name implies they lay their eggs inside of other animals for their larva to eat their host from the inside out.
Animals do more than hunt on predatory instinct or keep to themselves they have more complex lives than that.
Nature can be very cruel and unforgiving.

When it comes to people, well we're more complex than the animals out in the wild, we have more complex buildings, we have technology and we have more complex societies that are built on laws and ideals.
Since our lives and societies are more complex we fight over more complex things, it's our nature.

And if you ever consider yourself bigger or larger than 'nature' remember how devastating an earth quake or tsunami can be to some nations and when compared to the scale of the galaxy we're quite small, a meteor of sufficient size and velocity impacting the earth for example is capable of destroying humanity.

"Staying in a constant state of negativity"
Well i do agree, some negativity can healthy, but to much over a long period can be detrimental like many things in life.

"We aren't meant to be static or stay in one "place." Change is a law of nature."
I know, this was also my point.

"So you do you."
Naturally~ i do as i please.

"For me it's pointless in fighting over meaningless crap I guess the pendulum is swinging the other direction for me."
Of course, but who knows, you might change as well, and what you consider meaningless now may not always be so.

Ipsissimus83 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:21 pmAs HPOwen stated that he doesn't want this forum to be T4S vs JoS.

thats so funny good luck with that wish man whatever you do

Ipsissimus83 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:21 pm I'm finding it really pointless to engage in T4S vs JoS. I'm not leaving the forum I'm just going to lay low. Personally I find it unproductive in the long run constantly focused on negativity. What people don't realize, no matter which group you are in , focusing on negativity that IS NOT RELATED TO YOU PERSONALLY is pointless including those who get offended over disagreeing views.

We are individuals, you can not force us all to be the same, so arguing over who is right or wrong is pointless because one may be truth to you and a lie to another but this is based on individual personal development. The Us vs Them mentality is a constant state of conflict rather than working together as complimentary to achieve a common goal. Why can it be like this rather than someone trying to rule over somebody else and anyone who is different is against you? Yes individual goals can be fitted into the big picture because one is designed to be a social creature but because we are different we require some alone downtime to gather our thoughts. You cant erase ones personality.

I'm finding myself in the Us vs Them and the focus is CONSTANTLY on JoS and bad they are etc. Guys we need to get out of this cycle of negativity and move forward. Need to be different and be better than them. We each need to have collective goals as pertaining to T4S as an organization and individual goals. I'm willing to put some effort in this direction but I'm sick and tired of the constant focus of negativity on JoS. From here on out, I'm withdrawing my presence to gather my energies, creativity in hopes to kick start this place into more positivity and productivity. This is really important because creativity, productivity and positivity gives people a voice and get in touch with their inner self and maybe discover their divine purpose. And it can cause expansion.

Finally some sense. Go get a job. Like do fucking anything, but stop being stupid on the internet. But I know you won't, you will keep on inventing personas and continue posting the same shit. It's like you are cursed in this circle to repeat it but karma will hit you hard one day.